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Is it possible to travel further in Europe with a visa issued by a travel agency for a sightseeing tour?
I am going from a travel agency to go on an excursion to Spain, a bus tour, entry through Hungary, return also through Hungary. The next question is, can I fly to Germany on the way back from Hungary? that is, leave the group, do not enter Ukraine and extend your trip? If the tourist visa is open for a month, can I stay in Europe until the end of the month? will there be any problems, because the tour is designed for 7 days, 3 of them in Spain
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No problem. What about for a month? Spaniards usually spank for six months at once, even in an empty passport.
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answered 8 years ago
I don’t know yet what kind of visa they will give, I indicated that I want a multi, but this is already at their discretion, the last time the Schengen was 2 years ago. if they give me a multi and even for half a year, then I can return to Ukraine and then go to Germany myself. but here if they give you a tourist card with one entry, then I think it’s possible to cheat like that and not return to Ukraine. in the same place, the travel agency is responsible for all the tourists on the bus, they are unlikely to react normally to such a step of mine, they told me at the agency that once a certain number of people have entered, then exactly this number must leave, since the travel agency assumes some obligations , they do group insurance .. and they warned that if I leave the group somewhere, the guide can call the consulate and they will deport me, but this is probably too much?
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answered 8 years ago
You have a pig guide. ))) If the visa is valid, why will you be deported.
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answered 8 years ago
Well, probably the travel agency will have some problems there, they are worried about themselves. but, the main thing for me is the understanding that I am not doing anything illegal, yet I know that Germany is a serious country, they can cling to everything, if I still fly there, can they ask for what purpose, and to whom I am going and for what in general? I have a friend there, and I wanted to visit him, probably it’s better to have some kind of invitation from him with you? in case the airport starts to find fault
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answered 8 years ago
Travel agencies, of course, this is an additional headache, but there is a practice of statements from tourists when they themselves write that they decided to continue the journey on their own, they have no complaints and blablabla.
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answered 8 years ago
do you mean that they write some kind of statement in advance that they want to continue on their own? or without saying anything to the guide or agency, just disappeared on their own business?
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answered 8 years ago
If you apply to the visa center for a visa based on the purchase of a group tour, 99.99% that the visa will be given exactly for the duration of the tour. And you will have to return to Huaraina with the group. In order to get a multiple entry for 180, 360 or more days, you need to apply individually, by business or private invitation.
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answered 8 years ago
Warn, of course, the guide in advance. If without warning a person disappears and stops communicating, the guide, of course, is obliged to raise the alarm. Police report and all. No need for a guide.
And as for the visa - I don’t know the Ukrainian practice, but here Spain really slaps the vast majority of the six-month Schengen into a clean passport, even if you go with a tour, even without.
And as for the visa - I don’t know the Ukrainian practice, but here Spain really slaps the vast majority of the six-month Schengen into a clean passport, even if you go with a tour, even without.
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answered 8 years ago
I watched tours in Europe, some agencies immediately warn that for those who opened visas through the agency, the group leader collects passports after crossing the border and issues them in Ukraine after they mark them at the consulate, because. they answer to the consulate. The Spaniards also have a trick - if a person travels to Spain for the first time, then upon arrival back they may be required to come personally to the consulate to note that the person has returned to Ukraine. A real case with our employees.
So you need to decide with the agency - how they look at it, and if you don’t agree - yes, the guide has every right and moreover - he is obliged to call the consulate and warn that the person has stayed. If the tourist remained illegal, then the agency should follow. once they refuse to open visas, who needs this? And you will go to check with a friend or for illegal work, the agency cannot, all that remains is to rely on your honesty, which, you see, is somewhat risky - the agency risks business, you - in a word))
So you need to decide with the agency - how they look at it, and if you don’t agree - yes, the guide has every right and moreover - he is obliged to call the consulate and warn that the person has stayed. If the tourist remained illegal, then the agency should follow. once they refuse to open visas, who needs this? And you will go to check with a friend or for illegal work, the agency cannot, all that remains is to rely on your honesty, which, you see, is somewhat risky - the agency risks business, you - in a word))
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answered 8 years ago
Olenka, well, the guide is not quite pigish))), he just points a little.
Of course, there will be no violation, within the validity of a visa, you can go anywhere within the Schengen area.
But about the insurance, you need to take care of the tourist himself, there is very little money needed.
Of course, there will be no violation, within the validity of a visa, you can go anywhere within the Schengen area.
But about the insurance, you need to take care of the tourist himself, there is very little money needed.
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answered 8 years ago
Kolyan, what does it mean - remained illegal?
He did not stay to work, but an ordinary tourist. Well, he entered with a guide, returned without a guide - this is his right.
After all, no one can force a tourist to eat at a hotel, if he doesn’t like the food, he goes to a cafe. Alone, no guide.
Seems logical, man.
He did not stay to work, but an ordinary tourist. Well, he entered with a guide, returned without a guide - this is his right.
After all, no one can force a tourist to eat at a hotel, if he doesn’t like the food, he goes to a cafe. Alone, no guide.
Seems logical, man.
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answered 8 years ago
It is logical, but some consulates have a practice - when they open a visa for the first time for a person, they may then require to check in at the consulate upon arrival to make sure that the person has physically returned. I know about such cases specifically from German and Spanish visas. Not all of them require this, but according to some criteria of their own. They also require some travel agencies to note upon returning the passport. Obviously, this is how they insure against illegal immigrants who travel under the guise of "tourists". I recently booked a vacation for the summer, at the same time I watched tours around Europe, and one of the agencies wrote this directly - they opened it through us, which means we have a passport until the end of the tour and then we will issue it at the consulate and return it to you, agree - sign it, no - goodbye.
And then, you write "he did not work left" - and here the question is - how does the agency know? My wife went on a bus tour to Europe a couple of years ago, they had 1 tourist in the Czech Republic, just to work, and she took the tour for this.
And then, you write "he did not work left" - and here the question is - how does the agency know? My wife went on a bus tour to Europe a couple of years ago, they had 1 tourist in the Czech Republic, just to work, and she took the tour for this.
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answered 8 years ago
Let's sometimes think about where the tourist comes from - from Ukraine or Russia.
If in Russia the Spaniards "slap" visas for six months into any passport, then in Ukraine it's a little different. And they will give a visa for the duration of the trip + a couple of days, or maybe without it. You can ride all over Europe, leaving even just outside of Ukraine, they are unlikely to give multi-Schengen, especially through a travel agency (the trip does not include exit and entry from the Schengen zone).
Why do people create problems for themselves? After all, you can go as a self-tourist, made a route to the city where your friend lives, booked a hotel, bought round-trip tickets, put the necessary amount of money on the card and to the visa center for a visa. But if the so-called. a tourist grinds out some tricky option, then this is another calico! Therefore, thoughts arise, why is the TS such an option? And why does he need a multi-Schengen, if a simple bus tour to Spain? And if they arise with us, then even more so with experienced consular workers.
If in Russia the Spaniards "slap" visas for six months into any passport, then in Ukraine it's a little different. And they will give a visa for the duration of the trip + a couple of days, or maybe without it. You can ride all over Europe, leaving even just outside of Ukraine, they are unlikely to give multi-Schengen, especially through a travel agency (the trip does not include exit and entry from the Schengen zone).
Why do people create problems for themselves? After all, you can go as a self-tourist, made a route to the city where your friend lives, booked a hotel, bought round-trip tickets, put the necessary amount of money on the card and to the visa center for a visa. But if the so-called. a tourist grinds out some tricky option, then this is another calico! Therefore, thoughts arise, why is the TS such an option? And why does he need a multi-Schengen, if a simple bus tour to Spain? And if they arise with us, then even more so with experienced consular workers.
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answered 8 years ago
It's not clear to me about the illegal immigrant either. The visa indicates the number of days that you can stay in the country during the validity of the visa. If the tourist does not exceed this number, everything is legal.
Although, I repeat, I don’t know about Ukrainian practice, since you say “99.99% that a visa will be given exactly for the duration of the tour”, “on arrival back, they may be required to come personally to the consulate to check in”, it means that your process is different there.
Although, I repeat, I don’t know about Ukrainian practice, since you say “99.99% that a visa will be given exactly for the duration of the tour”, “on arrival back, they may be required to come personally to the consulate to check in”, it means that your process is different there.
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answered 8 years ago
Even the author of the question - "to see a friend in Germany" - you must admit, it looks very strange. A bus tour of Europe with a stop in Spain, and then once - by plane from Hungary to Germany))) If I were an agency, I would be careful not to contact such a person, it's too suspicious. If the agency is deprived of accreditation at the visa center, business will be closed for it.
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answered 8 years ago
Alex - confirmed my thoughts, so I'm not the only one who looks suspiciously this scheme with a tour and a "friend" in Germany))
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answered 8 years ago
And the last thing. My daughter-in-law just arrived from Nice. In connection with the well-known terrorist attacks in Belgium, France, control over foreigners has been tightened, and not only. Passports are checked by police inside the Schengen area, and not only passports, but also examinations and checks.
Therefore, I would not recommend leaving YOUR passport with someone else, even though it is a guide. We went through customs, pick up your passport, if the guide needs it, then photocopy your passport and give a copy, and let your passport be with you.
Therefore, I would not recommend leaving YOUR passport with someone else, even though it is a guide. We went through customs, pick up your passport, if the guide needs it, then photocopy your passport and give a copy, and let your passport be with you.
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answered 8 years ago
A group tour involves entry and exit with a group. The bus driver at the border takes the list of tourists from the guide and notes it at passport control. In some cases, consular departments are also asked to selectively bring passports "for show". That is, a person who uses a visa for other purposes is called an illegal immigrant, although he does not violate the validity of the visa. the guide is obliged to inform the police if someone has not appeared by the time of departure for the flight.
If you don’t want to violate and not have problems, arrange an individual tour (it can only be a hotel payment) and then without any problems from Hungary you can drive to a friend and return on your own, without violating the terms of the visa.
If you don’t want to violate and not have problems, arrange an individual tour (it can only be a hotel payment) and then without any problems from Hungary you can drive to a friend and return on your own, without violating the terms of the visa.
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answered 8 years ago
Kolyan, well, generally speaking, this person now seems suspicious to me.
Somehow, it all looks very dull for him, and it’s a very complicated and expensive scheme for “seeing a friend”.
Somehow, it all looks very dull for him, and it’s a very complicated and expensive scheme for “seeing a friend”.
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answered 8 years ago
It's no secret that Ukrainians use a tourist visa to stay illegal in the Schengen countries. This is such a widespread practice that they try to plug holes from all sides.
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answered 8 years ago
thanks to everyone for the answers)) I can apply separately for a visa to Germany upon returning from the tour, it's just time and additional costs, so I'll find out if I can use this tourist visa somehow else, but apparently it's not worth the risk))
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answered 8 years ago
Wouldn't you like to book tickets to Germany, take an invitation from a friend, attach all this to a package of documents and ask for a cartoon for six months at once?
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answered 8 years ago
Here's a question for TC. And what, is it necessary to make a visa from a travel agency? I understand that you have already received visas, so maybe you will do it differently. What I wrote, you make an independent tour with a route to the area where your friend is, applying the necessary tickets, some cheap hotel (let a friend look with cancellation of the reservation), carry it to the EC, get your cartoon, and drive around Europe. And in a travel agency, you will only need a ticket (if you want), you will already have a visa. This is not an obligation to apply for a visa through a travel agency!
But you can do all of the above (a trip to a friend, but justify it as a tourist trip, then enter a bus tour trip in the questionnaire and make a multivisa yourself, but a tourist one).
At invitations from friends, girlfriends, loved ones look askance.
But you can do all of the above (a trip to a friend, but justify it as a tourist trip, then enter a bus tour trip in the questionnaire and make a multivisa yourself, but a tourist one).
At invitations from friends, girlfriends, loved ones look askance.
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answered 8 years ago
alex45. You just made things worse with your last post. It is necessary to distinguish between a group tour and an individual one, and not on your own or through a travel agency.
Through a travel agency, there can also be an individual tour, but designed with their help (for example, consult on the completeness of documents, make a hotel reservation, which is almost always cheaper than booking, a plane ticket, insurance, and in some visas they still have the opportunity to pick up documents and transfer them to the customer And independent - this means that the tourist must do all these things himself.
Moreover, if this is not an EC in Germany, but for example in Hungary or Poland, then no bookings or hotel deals are accepted, but only a voucher from the host travel agency or PAY FOR THE HOTEL YOURSELF. Therefore, the option to book a hotel with cancellation will not work. By the way, the phrase ": You will only need a ticket (if you want)" is generally incomprehensible in this case. A voucher (and what is it at all?) is not needed in any embassy.
Through a travel agency, there can also be an individual tour, but designed with their help (for example, consult on the completeness of documents, make a hotel reservation, which is almost always cheaper than booking, a plane ticket, insurance, and in some visas they still have the opportunity to pick up documents and transfer them to the customer And independent - this means that the tourist must do all these things himself.
Moreover, if this is not an EC in Germany, but for example in Hungary or Poland, then no bookings or hotel deals are accepted, but only a voucher from the host travel agency or PAY FOR THE HOTEL YOURSELF. Therefore, the option to book a hotel with cancellation will not work. By the way, the phrase ": You will only need a ticket (if you want)" is generally incomprehensible in this case. A voucher (and what is it at all?) is not needed in any embassy.
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answered 8 years ago
And why are the Hungarian and Polish consulates special? I applied in the winter, they didn’t ask for any payment or vouchers, the usual printout from booking.
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answered 8 years ago
Olenka, there another situation.
Ukrainians are flocking to Poland en masse on any visas, on any vouchers, in order to stay there to work at any cost, whether legally or not. They are free people, not some thread of Putin's slaves, wherever they want, they work as laborers.
That is why the attention to them is special, from the Poles as well.
It was absolutely wild for me to learn about the practice of checking in at the consulate upon arrival, such as that people didn’t stay there, I didn’t even know that this was possible))) I believe that it can be, because Kolyan, respected by me, told about it.
Ukrainians are flocking to Poland en masse on any visas, on any vouchers, in order to stay there to work at any cost, whether legally or not. They are free people, not some thread of Putin's slaves, wherever they want, they work as laborers.
That is why the attention to them is special, from the Poles as well.
It was absolutely wild for me to learn about the practice of checking in at the consulate upon arrival, such as that people didn’t stay there, I didn’t even know that this was possible))) I believe that it can be, because Kolyan, respected by me, told about it.
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answered 8 years ago
It seems to me that if a person wants to stay somewhere, no marks and payments are an obstacle for him ...
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answered 8 years ago
We have now moved from the documentary to the social plane. Yes, Ukrainians stay to work in Poland and the Czech Republic, yes, Ukrainians have a lot of relatives whom they want to visit often, but they cannot send an invitation for various reasons, and many Ukrainians have children studying in Krakow and Warsaw, where they have a rented apartment and parents visiting children there and going to live. But this is a different type of visa.
And the only difficulty with the Germans is that many work without official employment, and the EC requires a certificate from the tax office about the source of income (if there were no Schengen visas for the last 3 years, it is mandatory, but those who have had them can be asked selectively). Therefore, a trip, for example, to a fiancé or a friend to visit in Germany is not always possible for registration. Someone wants to cheat and get another visa, although there are absolutely legal options. You just need to understand, or you pay for the hotel or get an invitation and live with a friend.
And the only difficulty with the Germans is that many work without official employment, and the EC requires a certificate from the tax office about the source of income (if there were no Schengen visas for the last 3 years, it is mandatory, but those who have had them can be asked selectively). Therefore, a trip, for example, to a fiancé or a friend to visit in Germany is not always possible for registration. Someone wants to cheat and get another visa, although there are absolutely legal options. You just need to understand, or you pay for the hotel or get an invitation and live with a friend.
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answered 8 years ago
Sigur, don't exacerbate. Commenting on the situation from the outside, according to Russian newspapers, you risk public disgrace)))
Not so Ukrainians and massively jump abroad. I won't even say that it's much stronger than before.
And there are no special strictness on the part of the embassies.
In the fall, acquaintances traveled with us to Hungary, applied for a visa themselves, without paying for the hotel, only booking from Booking.com. One person was completely unemployed.
And nothing, everything was opened.
Situations when people were forced to register at the consulate upon their return to Ukraine are not new in our time, it was back in stable years. My employees went to the Spanish consulate back in 2010, to the German consulate in 2012. I would venture to suggest that the same situation was for Russian tourists, but not massively (for Ukrainians, these were also exceptions).
Not so Ukrainians and massively jump abroad. I won't even say that it's much stronger than before.
And there are no special strictness on the part of the embassies.
In the fall, acquaintances traveled with us to Hungary, applied for a visa themselves, without paying for the hotel, only booking from Booking.com. One person was completely unemployed.
And nothing, everything was opened.
Situations when people were forced to register at the consulate upon their return to Ukraine are not new in our time, it was back in stable years. My employees went to the Spanish consulate back in 2010, to the German consulate in 2012. I would venture to suggest that the same situation was for Russian tourists, but not massively (for Ukrainians, these were also exceptions).
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