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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар Slav_na
who praised Sweden here?
===During the week of May 13-19, Sweden overtook all other European countries in the number of new deaths due to coronavirus. This is evidenced by the data published on the site Our World in Data.
During this period, the average number of deaths per million population in Sweden reached 6.25. For comparison: in the UK it is 5.7, in Spain - 2.6, in Italy - 2.9, in France - 3.4.
According to the Johns Hopkins Institute, 30.7 thousand cases of infection with a new type of coronavirus have been recorded in Sweden; 3.7 thousand deaths and 4.9 thousand recovered patients. The country's authorities decided to abandon strict quarantine measures so as not to harm the country's economy, but according to some forecasts, the economic outcome for Sweden will be the same as in other countries.===
аватар Slav_na
here, I think, is the answer to the cries of "nafik us quarantine" ...
аватар moy_contakt
Today I saw an advertisement from the Eviva clinic (Kharkiv) for an antibody test, the price is 380 UAH. The question is how much a piece of paper from this clinic can be accepted as a document ....
аватар Vika284
According to the latest WHO report
Sweden total 32809 cases, 3925 deaths, 637 people fell ill there in the last 24 hours, 54 died
Great Britain 254199 people fell ill, 36393 died. The increase in cases over the past day was 3287 people and skillfully 351 people per day
YaSlavnaYa somehow the official statistics do not match the fried news
аватар Slav_na
Vika284,
to be honest, I didn’t calculate the percentages, I believed the article.
I agree, I should have asked the Swedes I knew what the realities are
аватар Slav_na
if the administration allows - https://covid.observer/ru/.ru/
I don’t know how much this site is lying, but there are numbers for both dates and countries
about 6.25 - I didn’t find it, but the percentage is not lower than in Britain or Russia
аватар dusik1981
We found which site to believe, there is a domain ru. Ask doctors from the Russian Federation about Russian non-paper statistics, they will tell you how many people are really sick but without official dz, and how many have died, but are not worth the main dz, but are buried in closed coffins. And what system is effective, we will find out in the fall or a little further, when the wave of the disease passes.
аватар Slav_na
dusik1981, below is a link to Johns Hopkins University - follow it
аватар Slav_na
dusik1981, Do you believe in Ukrainian? on our Ministry of Finance - the same numbers, current without%%
аватар Vika284
YanSlavnaYa Johns Hopkins University statistics are exactly the same as those of WHO
Right now on the university website
UK 258509 cases (36757 deaths)
Spain 235290 (deceased 28678)
Italy 229327 (32735)
Sweden 33188 (3992)
Sweden has a population of 10,333,456 people, the death rate from coronavirus is approximately 0.038%
UK 67886004 -0.054%
Spain 47100396 - 0.06%
Italy 60317116 - 0.054%
аватар Vika284
So maybe Sweden was right? Since doctors have a different opinion on this "quarantine"
аватар dusik1981
YaSlavnaYa I believe rather than not, I usually have those statistics and take the calculator in hand. And so about everything in order. I have a special education for such things. Therefore, all quarantines, peaks, and so on, I was taught to count 5 years. Why the statistics of the Ministry of Health are true, yes, it’s simple, it can’t be hidden on paper, but in fact it’s not. Then many of our doctors bought into "300%" and worked "tirelessly" revealing everything to the maximum, and naturally showing everything. The problem, or rather, as sociologists like to say, "a statistical mess" is completely different. researched. My forecast for a "plateau" of about 20 thousand came true. Well, everything else that Lyashko scared was true when the parks were banned. Remember the beginning of quarantine, how people became asocial, and then "Velor" and that's it.,
аватар dusik1981
About who was right, time will tell, I have always stood on the principle of "natural selection" no matter how rude it may sound. Even Father may in fact be right, but we will all find out in a year and a half when the second and third waves of this virus pass. And we will see how organisms cope with it.
аватар Pachok
It is not necessary to mix mortality, excess mortality and lethality in one heap. As well as percentages with absolute figures.
аватар Pachok
People always stand on the principle of natural selection, as long as this selection does not concern their loved ones or themselves.
аватар Slav_na
Natural selection is so natural! he doesn’t care about a young nurse from the oncology hospital, who is now suffocating in our hospital, and for my friend - a mother and grandmother of 45 years old, lying on oxygen for a week, and for a baby in the ward next to them. yes, of course, the strongest must survive - and nafik we are disabled, not very healthy or just elderly. and the money will be healthier, cho!
sorry it broke
аватар Iren48
Absolutely agree with ira.novo. The current epidemic is a purely political action. Damn, speed wasn't advertised that way. Some fools (we won’t point fingers) started all this, and now they are sitting and making fun of it, but how are we going to ruin it? Just fuuuu! Don't wait, s...ki!
аватар Slav_na
Iren48,
won't we break it???? )))
аватар Iren48
Think for yourself. I can do it, with God's help
аватар Sergey_7979
my_contact:
add the cost of translating the result of the analysis foreign language(s) and assurances. I'm sure there will be more of the same. Medical centers issue certificates in Ukrainian / Russian, and border guards of foreign states do not speak Ukrainian for 99% ...
аватар moy_contakt
Sergey_7979, It seems like a certificate is necessary or can be presented before boarding the plane, those at the airport of departure. And at our airports, Russian / Ukrainian is still understood. Since my tour has been postponed to September, I hope that by the time of the trip it will still be determined what they want to see and where to get it. I seem to have antibodies, I hope my family too ... Honestly, I would give myself up to understand the situation, well, for one thing there would be a result for the trip.
аватар Vika284
YaSlavnaYa your comment about natural selection applies to all diseases
In addition to the new coronavirus, people get sick and die from many diseases. But why getting sick with coronavirus was some kind of heroic act
Why didn’t they fall into psychosis before about grandmothers with severe strokes on mechanical ventilation, children with cancer, doctors who contracted tuberculosis
аватар dusik1981
Well, as a doctor, I have a professional deformation, I normally perceive death and it doesn’t matter if it’s a child with cancer, someone’s loved one, someone’s friend or girlfriend, and so on and so forth. I have always said that it is pointless to save someone who cannot be saved. And at one time I said this when a loved one died. But it's lyrics and does not apply to this forum.
And on business today, on some TV channel, I accidentally stumbled upon an interview with someone from the tourist industry. So it was about the fact that no one knows how they will settle non-relatives in one room, i.e. couples, because legally these are different people. And of course, some of these customers will disappear from them. And one more moment they remembered Lvov 2009 when there was a half-price weekend promotion. And the tourist industry hopes that the south will support such an action to attract customers.
аватар Pachok
Right now. No one needs to lure anyone, prices are healthy now, and they will only grow. Those who cannot comply with quarantine requirements will stupidly not open for the season, the rest of the prices will increase. Yesterday I was looking for accommodation in Western Ukraine for the summer in a separate house - EVERYTHING is occupied. Shishkin Club offers a wonderful 15% discount in Belarus, the price of a separate house in the forest starts from 5800 UAH per day without food.
Z.Y. There is a difference between "we can't save" and "we can save, but we don't want to." Because spitting on quarantine measures (the only thing that effectively reduces morbidity and mortality at the moment) is precisely the second. It's kind of wild to think that being able to eat at a restaurant or ride the subway is more important than someone's real life.
аватар dusik1981
I have not rested in the Ukrainian south for 10 years, I have never been attracted by the price and service, and I will not continue with this approach "you will not go anywhere, you will come to us for any price." But Western Ukraine has always made concessions to tourists both in 2009 and 2016. So if you go through your native Nenko-Ukraine, then I'd rather go west))
аватар Vika284
These quarantine measures do not reduce morbidity and reduce mortality, it is a reduction in the burden on hospitals for a certain period of time. Morbidity and mortality remains the same, but is simply distributed over time
аватар Slav_na
Vika284,
about sick "except" - it happened! - I know. very well aware...
"getting sick with coronavirus has become some kind of heroic deed" - this is not a heroic deed, on the contrary, it is a disaster! and often completely healthy people began to fall ill - and this is a doubly trouble.
if anything, I don’t fall into psychosis even now - I don’t consider it constructive. and I think that in this case it is incorrect to talk about natural selection, to put it mildly. at least in relation to those who have already lost loved ones ...
I didn’t study to be a doctor, so I just do what I can, as I did before. I also buy food for old neighbors, I also take out their garbage. I also donate blood. same way...
oh no matter, let's go
аватар Slav_na
it is precisely this distribution in time that can save someone's life. or a person will be brought to an overcrowded hospital, where doctors can neither gasp nor breathe, or when they can be fully treated ...
I gave birth on the 20th, on the day of salary in the maternity hospital. and during the day 16 aunts gave birth almost simultaneously - and I alone, krulevna takasobi, in the evening - I felt the difference on myself!
аватар Apyatka
Any denial of the obvious is the same psychosis as the inflating of the petty.
In the case of the coronavirus, for some reason, it is easier for people to believe that all countries (well, except for a few) ruined their economies just like that, out of psychosis, than to understand that there is a danger.
And, in fact, very little depends on us. Just shake the air, proving to each other.. What? What exactly is constructive in these hundred thousand pages about the coronavirus?
аватар Vika284
"It's a disaster! and quite healthy people often fall ill - and this is a double disaster."
a grandmother who died from a stroke, a suffering child with a brain tumor, a doctor who contracted tuberculosis from a patient, is this not such a disaster as coronavirus ?! With the coronavirus, everyone forgot that there are other patients. One coronavirus and reports on one coronavirus, other illnesses and deaths are crossed out
Constructivism is at least using official statistics, and hot news statistics
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