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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар Pachok
Igor_m, thanks, I'll look at the indicated sites, otherwise I ran into something in booking ...
I also want to go to Polyana, but I remember last summer when we sat under the air conditioner, and when we went outside, my daughter fainted from the heat: ((so only with air conditioning, and this, it turns out, is a problem :)
аватар Igor_m
camomille, it's hard to find something that satisfies in all respects, but you can. Twelve email inquiries and 36 calls to hosts per day. I won’t go to Zatoka for nothing, let them forgive me, but they themselves are to blame. To Sicily, to Sardinia, to Corsica - even now, we are welcome there.
аватар camomille
Igor_m, in my coordinate system that Zatoka, that Koblevo, that Kirilovka and all other Ukrainian resorts are about the same and there is nothing particularly good except the sea.
After searching for the room, we came to the conclusion that Bulgaria would be better (unless, of course, they let us in there in the summer).
I was in Zatoka in 2015. I remember the hotel was called Yellow House. In principle, it was normal - 3 minutes walk to the beach, close to the center, the hotel is on the territory of an old Soviet sanatorium.
аватар dusik1981
About the Greeks. Back in May, a Greek bureaucrat spoke on DW and said that they would only let air packets, individuals from countries without a "health passport" until they were allowed in, until the EU made a decision. "Paketniks" will undergo self-isolation in the host hotel, but in order to facilitate the whole process, they are developing a process of selective analysis of people, where the main criterion is families or people who have bought a tour together, i.e. couples. If these people do not have a positive, then everyone will be released from "isolation", if not, then everyone will be tested ..
This information was confirmed by a representative of a tour operator on the air on "Direct" in the first days of June.
аватар moy_contakt
Well, to tell you a terrible story about how urgently they operate today in civilized countries in conditions of covid. She decided that she ate something wrong, took a pill, but gradually her condition worsened. She called the doctor, and he said that she had a possible symptom of covid, so she prescribed seagulls and wait. by 11 in the morning she was rigidly twisted, the pains were such that she could neither sit nor get up or lie down (her husband is at work, I am over 3 nine lands, a foreign country ...) called the doctor, she said that she would call an ambulance and they would already figure out where and what . the husband rushed to the arrival of the ambulance and they were taken to a clinic where, like, they need to be tested for covid (there is a crowd for the delivery of patients and with suspicion ..). The doctor went to the ambulance, looked, assessed her condition (she lost consciousness from pain), suggested that it was appendicitis and it would be good to operate, but without a test it is impossible. They took material from her (they didn’t pull her out of the ambulance, those without contacts)
аватар moy_contakt
, but they couldn’t operate in that clinic, because they now have a different focus and the ambulance began to contact clinics who are ready to accept their daughter for an emergency operation but with a covid test in the process. Only one private clinic was taken. Upon arrival, a lot of tests, examinations, and so on ..... they operated today at 3 in the morning .... the appendix burst .... has not regained consciousness yet ... in intensive care. The test came back negative. Here is such a priest and this is in Austria .... civilization like ... what about payment, I don’t know, but now it’s not up to that .... but that’s what it’s called ... that’s why they have such a mortality rate like an insurance medical (they still resolved issues with the insurance .... there is also normal insurance ... and because instead of urgently performing an operation, they didn’t take her anywhere at all .... if she died, they would write it off for covid ..... all comrades arrived.
аватар camomille
moy_contakt, health to your daughter. May he recover quickly.
My mom had surgery 2 weeks ago. Umbilical hernia. She had a few years, still could not decide on the operation. The lower abdomen began to whine - she endured 3 weeks, because. I was afraid to go to the hospital, but then I decided to do it anyway. The doctor examined, tried to correct the hernia - apparently something fell into place and the pain disappeared as if by hand. There were no urgent indications for surgical intervention, but we decided to do the operation. So - a planned operation during quarantine - no problem, we will issue it as an urgent one and you don’t need to take any tests for COVID. The hospital has an entrance yard. Only the intensive care unit is closed, where access is completely prohibited. The rest of the departments are free to enter.
When my mother had her stitches removed before being discharged, her doctor did not come close to her (the stitches were removed by another doctor). He says: I am a contact person, and everyone is being brought to us in a row, and I have just examined a patient with pneumonia, so we will not risk it.
аватар moy_contakt
I wrote about the situation in a civilized country with insurance medicine, when the bill goes on for a while and there is not much of it, and there they decide whether there is insurance, its class, etc. ... well, an analysis was added .....
аватар Sergey_7979
Who thinks: the Baltic countries (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) will not open their borders for us this year either?
In the context of our heat, the cool Baltic Sea would be just right ...
аватар olyajan
Good afternoon everyone! Igor_m, I also had an idea about a vacation in Polyana, since we rested there the summer before last, and I looked for good options in the village, where it is very quiet, near the forest. But! They raised the prices for these houses so much that I don’t even know whether to visit the Transcarpathians or not. But I have one more problem, my husband is stuck in Qatar, and there are no prospects for a flight home, and there is now a heat of +50, and no one gives any forecasts on departure dates. In general, everyone got it (((And I support Polyana, as well as all your observation and tourist locations, I can also advise the Zhayvoronok pool complex in Berehove and an excursion to a cheese factory created in the Alpine style in the village of Nizhne Selishche. I wish you a good rest !!!
аватар Sergey_7979
dusik1981,
I think that under the conditions of self-isolation in hotels with taking tests - in general, no one will agree to go. Neither packers nor individuals
аватар olyajan
Sergey_7979, we planned a summer trip to the fjords of Norway in the winter, but now this is probably not realistic. And I also thought about the Baltic countries. We will monitor, maybe someone has some information.
аватар Apyatka
For yesterday 689 cases. Absolute record.
Take care of yourself. The easing of quarantine creates a false sense of security.
аватар Igor_m
olyajan, thank you for your wishes and advice, I won’t sit still for a day. In the same Glade, the prices are different, and I can’t explain it (most likely the strongest and most greedy animal crawled in - a toad), the difference in price is three (!!!) times. Offered for 4000 UAH. per day a house with two bedrooms on the second floor and a folding sofa on the first floor in the living room (there are six of us), - he said that one and a half times more expensive than Italy (Sardinia, Elba). Half an hour later they called and offered for 3,000 thousand (the toad let go a little). In the village of Uklin, Mokroe, Lumshory there were normal options, but the roads are bad and far from the sights - the granddaughters want to see all the castles and fortresses. Yes, drag your husband to Ukraine, you need to spend money on relaxing at home this year.
аватар Igor_m
Apyatka, many people assumed this exactly by today's date.
аватар Apyatka
Igor_m, why today?
аватар Sergey_7979
Apyatka,
people actively celebrated the Trinity - in parks, on beaches, etc. places in the natural, the cessation of rains contributed to this. Of course, without masks and social distance. In addition, transport in Kyiv was fully launched. I drove once and realized that it is better to continue walking to work (I have 3 km)
аватар Sergey_7979
Fresh information, why Kyiv has such bad statistics:
New focus of coronavirus detected - Pokrovsky Monastery
аватар Pachok
I have been observing such a potential outbreak under my house for several days now - people are rushing to the beach in droves with bedding, bags, children, grandmothers. Teenagers in companies of 10-15 people - there, these are also hugging and all side by side lying on the lawns. Shops are packed, restaurants are open. The beach is small and there are a lot of people. I'm sure there's a story like this all over the city.
аватар Pachok
moy_contakt What a horror:( let my daughter get better soon!
аватар dusik1981
Sergey_7979
believe me, there are those who are nicer "the Turkish coast, and they need Africa." Again, on the radio, the representative of the TO said that for July, the clients who had postponed the contracts earlier for a later date agree to fly out as soon as they are allowed (alas, the name of the TO did not hear that program, did not turn it on at first)
аватар Igor_m
Apyatka, quarantine mitigation is bearing fruit. Stage 1 - from May 22, 2nd from June 1, yesterday - the 3rd stage of mitigation. Everything that was closed was opened. Stretched to Kyiv from the regions of the workers, the benefit of work on new buildings shaft. Yesterday at the market, my aunt squeezed between me and the seller, took off her mask, wiped her sweaty face with it, and climbed to pick tomatoes, cherries, put a couple of strawberries into her mouth ... and left in English.
аватар Pachok
Ha. In the supermarket under the house, the cleaner walks around coughing. The mask prevents her from coughing, so when she has another attack, she takes it off, clears her throat and puts it back on.
And touching food is sacred. Some deep perversion, subconscious.
аватар camomille
"I have been observing such a potential outbreak under my house for several days already - people rushing to the beach in crowds with bedding, bags, children, grandmothers."
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I saw such a focus in the hospital. In the department where the mother was, a whole family came to the patient - with bags of food, with small children, etc. Man 7-8. I saw how they all sat in her room and ate. In fact, they had a picnic, only not in nature, but in a hospital. And an individual ward will not save you from this savagery, because corridors are shared, nurses are shared.
аватар Andrey111
As 90% of people argue: none of my friends and relatives got sick, everyone moves freely, most have already scored on masks, so everything is not so scary. Just basic psychology.
аватар moy_contakt
Andrey111 I was faced with the fact that the disease itself can proceed with very mild symptoms (it happened to me, and if not for the test, I would not have known that I had been ill). I am sure that many have already been ill in December-January-February - of course they won’t take them, because there is still immunity. There is a sore, but inflated consequences ......... not everyone is lucky to get sick easily, but this is such a thing, any disease can be with any outcome ..... there are no healthy people, there are underexamined.
аватар Lilu..10
As for immunity, it's not forever. A family friend was ill at the end of March. Weak, almost without symptoms. The test showed coronavirus, isolation, the test showed cured. On Tuesday I did an IgG test for myself - no antibodies. So here it is...
аватар Marsyanchik
My contact, daughter get well soon! It's so scary to get sick right now. I can't make up my mind to go to the dentist. It's scary that there was a covid patient there before me.
аватар moy_contakt
Thank you Marsyanchik, everything worked out, I came to my senses and this is the main thing. I'm not afraid of anything anymore, I've been ill. But the disease itself should not be scary, because in the end we will get sick with covid, all or most, some earlier, some later, but we will have to. Well, the dentist must be chosen correctly, with a full cycle of sterilization. And then I saw here the other day (before that I had only heard) about cold sterilization ... like soaking it in the right solution and that's it .... such nonsense .... and as I understand it, dentists began to use this method to the fullest (private traders of course, in our state clinics, an autoclave is mandatory) this is horror and a nightmare. Suppliers for these miracle liquids issue a package of documents and people (who have a medical education) believe that such a lock kills everything ... this is really scary. Therefore, I only go where there is a full cycle of tool processing.
аватар Sergey_7979
It looks like Ukraine will be isolated from the civilized world for a long time :-(
Today I received a letter from Ryanair about the cancellation of my flight Barcelona - Kyiv on 08/24/2020.
They offer 2 options: either transferring the flight to any date within 3 months or Refund).
While I think
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