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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар moy_contakt
camomille, I will not prove to you that your hepatitis has nothing to do with your lack of vaccination (today the only hepatitis vaccine on the calendar is from group B and it was introduced relatively recently (after 2001), so you should not associate your grandmother with your sore, as adult aunts and uncles born during her absence were vaccinated (apparently of their own free will and at their own expense) at the age of 18-35 years (well, I don’t know why there are such age limits), but here adults themselves decide whether they need it or not. You need to be vaccinated against the same diphtheria every 10 years, against tetanus too, against influenza annually before the start of the sore season, etc. If the specifics of your work do not require vaccinations, then you yourself decide whether you need it or not and in what At the time of your childhood, your grandmother decided that you do not need it, and as you grew up, you decided otherwise and this is your right.
аватар camomille
So what are the ways of a global solution to the problem other than universal vaccination? And what is more terrible: to get sick with an unknown disease, the consequences of which are not studied, or to be vaccinated with a new drug? The medicine, if you believe that they have found a protein that completely destroys covid and does not cause side effects, will appear at best in a year. Yes, there have been many cases in history when drugs were banned because of a side effect that was detected several years after the approval of the drug. But, nevertheless, these cases are isolated and, if taken as a percentage of the total number of drugs produced, are negligible. Of course there is a fear of vaccination. But, on the other hand, I saw in what a terrible state a neighbor with bilateral pneumonia was taken out of the house, who died in the hospital 2 days later. And it's also very scary. Moreover, the woman is not old, middle-aged, she still has to live and live. Got infected at work.
аватар camomille
Another thing is that no one offers us vaccination yet. And given that the vaccine must be stored at -70 degrees, which causes big logistical problems, it is likely that we will not receive it soon or we will receive a spoiled drug.
аватар moy_contakt
camomille, the fact that your neighbor died does not mean that everything is just so bad, I’m telling you this as a person who has been ill with her husband and children, and since September-October, old people (65-85 years old) have already been massively ill in my family and younger brother and wife, friends, acquaintances, and we have only one relative in question, but there, in any scenario and any brlyachka, everything would be difficult, because the lungs at one time were excised partially due to illness. All the rest are alive, already healthy (there is a side effect (mostly in neurology) and we are treating it in the same way, but all tfu ugh, the doctor who knows his business set the right course). The key to success is timely diagnosis and treatment, and not delay until the need for hospitalization, as is now basically happening everywhere. Well, you can't go to the hospital right now. All houses are treated and even an oxygen concentrator can be rented inexpensively or bought (we had to buy for the reason described above). Well, you won’t be saved from all the sores, and vaccination, pressing down some sores, gives the green light to new ones.
аватар moy_contakt
I talked with a virologist and she expressed her opinion that we, through the uncontrolled use of antibiotics, crushed bacterial infections and they were replaced by viruses, drugs for which there are no drugs today and that covid is flowers, because there are worse options and with high mortality, and now we need to think what to do with it, maybe when they climb it will be really bad. And the mortality rate from covid is really low if you don’t hysteria and don’t hope that you will be cured for free, alas ....
аватар camomille
Yes, this is all clear, I'm afraid for my parents. My father has cancer, my mother has asthma. Although it is not clear who is sick. A friend has relatives - the whole family was ill. A wife with a child is easy, but her husband was barely pulled out, having spent 200 thousand. Moreover, the man was completely healthy, an athlete and a sportsman. Age 30+.
аватар moy_contakt
As an athlete in the past, I’ll tell you this, all athletes have problems with the heart and blood vessels due to the constant load and sometimes a lot of work (I had a cardiac arrest on ice at the age of 14 (if you remember a couple of figure skaters Ekaterina Gordeeva and Sergey Grinkov and he died on So I was saved by our doctor, who accidentally walked by and started to massage right away, and my mother (she was the coach at that time ran to his office for medicines. All these overloads do not pass without a trace, although I didn’t have any more problems in this part and after that they didn’t reveal anything.But the fact that they didn’t reveal anything does not mean that everything is normal.So sports and zosh are such a thing ..... And some sports involve the use of various substances and additives and here, in general, everything is not for health, but to the detriment, but who will tell you about this and the athlete himself looks healthy and handsome, but what is in reality ......
аватар nataha33
camomille, "And given that the vaccine must be stored at -70 degrees, which causes great logistical problems, it is likely that we will not receive it soon or we will receive a spoiled drug."
In our country, there are no problems with the production of liquid nitrogen, which is also quite inexpensive, so it is absolutely easy to bring the vaccine at any low temperature. It would be something to carry ...)))
аватар camomille
nataha33, Well, maybe we have no problems, but the British, who plan to vaccinate the first batch of citizens by the end of the year, have problems.
аватар nataha33
I think that if someone offers us a vaccine, then we can handle the transportation ourselves without any problems. But if we also had brains in leadership, then we could well supply liquid nitrogen to Europe, there is enough capacity. )
аватар camomille
I think that Ukraine will be at the very tail end in providing a vaccine. I'd be happy to be wrong.
аватар nataha33
camomille, below is the position of my employee, because better I could not write:
"Only the glacier did not write that the vaccine from Kovid19 should be stored at -70 ° C and it's pipet-pipet-pipet as difficult! "
There are enough oxygen plants in Ukraine, and each of them produces liquid nitrogen on an industrial scale.
This is a "water ", which has a temperature of -196 ° C, at which it boils. Remember Terminator-2, where the liquid metal robot liquid from the tank froze? It was liquid nitrogen.
In a 25-liter dewar, it boils from 10 days to 2 weeks, and in an even larger dewar, it lasts longer.
It is cheap - 18 UAH per liter.
In general, teach physics - helps in life. "
That is. there is an alternative to dry ice and airgel. )
аватар Slav_na
and who would now agree to be vaccinated? are there daredevils?
аватар dusik1981
YaSlavnaYa, if not in Russian, I will now offer somewhere 30-40 people, wanting to eat and even at their own expense.
аватар camomille
nataha33, I know what liquid nitrogen is))) and I recommend cryomassage) sorry for the offtopic
аватар Igor_m
I don’t want to upset the esteemed cryogenic tourists, and I don’t want to flood. Let everyone study the properties of liquid nitrogen for themselves and determine how to reach a temperature of 70 Celsius (which corresponds to 203.15 Kelvin), at what pressure this will happen. Let me remind you that the critical point = 126.2 K, beyond which the phase state of nitrogen changes. I suspect that the vaccine needs a constant temperature, namely - 70 (maybe there is a range from and to?). It is difficult and expensive to maintain it during transportation, and it will be justified if this vaccine is 100% effective.
With our level of medicine, organization and management of social processes, we will get sick of everything, almost everyone will overcome the disease, humanity will develop immunity even without a vaccine in a few years.
There will be no population decrease, the virus is not sexually transmitted! We live longer and longer, take care of ourselves and others, plan trips and travel.
аватар Slav_na
dusik1981,
I understand your point, thanks!
аватар Olgaolga153
Although I am afraid of the coronavirus, I do not agree to be vaccinated with either the Russian vaccine or any other.
аватар Olgaolga153
moy_contakt : "The key to success is timely diagnosis and treatment, and not delay until the need for hospitalization, as is now basically happening everywhere."
We are now being taken to the hospital in extreme cases, everyone is being treated at home, and the majority is involuntarily self-medicating. You call a doctor at home, and he comes in 4-5 days (!) So you have a timely diagnosis. ((
аватар moy_contakt
Olgaolga153 if your doctor comes to your house, then you are lucky, ours don’t go anywhere now, but consult over the phone. Only paid people come, for your hard-earned money. We turned to the family only because of the need to get a sick leave, and everyone was treated by a paid excellent doctor.
аватар dusik1981
moy_contakt I do not know how your doctor, and mine from the beginning is always "on the phone " and comes. Apparently it all depends on who signed the declaration with whom, and there as in the saying "saw the eyes that took, eat, let you climb "
аватар moy_contakt
dusik1981 we have several institutions (my dad lives in the suburbs), I'm in town and the choice of doctor does not affect walking or not. Do not go to anyone. The pediatrician may come (but I will not say that she always does so, because I am always in such a relationship with her that she and without a call when my children were sick could jump in to track the dynamics). And there are no adults, now by phone, or by video (what a miracle it came to our doctors). But even I do not need their arrival, because the help from these doctors is zero. Dad "treated" for a week, and if I hadn't brought my dad to me and brought a paid doctor, I don't even know how his sore would have ended.
аватар dusik1981
moy_contakt, and who prevents you from having a private firstborn, such as receiving 30 minutes at the expense of what the state pays, plus vaccination plus 24/7 on the phone, and coming home to the patient. You just need to not be an expert in all matters and take to monitor all those who have concluded an agreement with the Ministry of Health and choose what you want from the proposed. But it was not necessary to do it today, but in 2017. I don't have questions like yours, because I immediately calculated all possible states. I know a primary care physician from the Kharkiv region who works on this principle and it is now, if I am not disappointed, my consent to her, even on your story was. But good doctors were dismantled in 2017, because by law he can have a maximum of only 2,000 patients.
аватар Slav_na
Our doctor visits everyone except covid. Covid-19 is advised on TF, buy medicines yourself, a list of ladies. kt - themselves, the address of the ladies. it is in Kyiv, Shevchenkovsky district.
аватар dusik1981
to kovidnyh, or with suspicion, according to the protocol "family " and should not go, he must determine where the patient needs and all and then according to the protocol.
аватар Olgaolga153
YaSlavnaYa
And how can a therapist know what the patient is sick with: coronavirus or SARS, if the symptoms are similar.
By the way, we also have problems with medicines. Antibiotics are now not given without a prescription, antiviral ones are snapped up like hot cakes. If in the spring it was proposed to call a doctor at home with any hint of a cold, now even with a high temperature and obvious covid, people are forced to go to the clinic themselves to take tests. I don't remember such a mess.
аватар dusik1981
So antibiotics should not be given without a prescription, see the abstract. , I did not see anything where it would be written "vacation: without a prescription ".
аватар Slav_na
Olgaolga153,
the therapist cannot know - for this they must take swabs.
why antibes without a prescription?
where I am now, with suspicion of covid, you call the hotline and the girls come to the OHS, take a swab. Then the doctor comes on call and prescribes everything. then they bring it all. 10 days later the second smear. and then a third. and so on until there are two negative ones.
at least that's how we got through it
аватар oksanashewchenko
Where is this utopia?
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