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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар camomille
The same is likely to happen with tourism.
аватар Apyatka
Sergey_7979 and who doesn't have a smartphone?)
Issued?)
аватар alla.neshcheretnaya
camomille, I fully support you! Because of such "I will pay everywhere", the rules, conditions change, and finally people can get sick. After all, they can be carriers without knowing it. How many tourists now have problems with another change in testing rules, but for a person " I'll pay" It's probably not interesting.
аватар dusik1981
Remember, the French already had an interesting bill and how it ended. The bill does not mean that it is a law and it has come into force.
аватар Sergey_7979
Apyatka,
"saving the drowning - on the right hand of the drowning "
Given the "vaccination roadmap" published today, people who want to be vaccinated without queuing (rather than waiting 1.5-2.0 years), the cost of vaccination will be commensurate with the cost of an inexpensive smartphone ($ 100-150)
The fact is that the cost of the vaccine "Modern " (2 injections) is $ 40, and the cost of the vaccine "Pfizer " (2 injections) is $ 74.
Given that the surcharge for speed has not been canceled, it is easy to reach the above amounts
аватар Sergey_7979
Here is the document published today:
https://censor.net/be/news/3239044/utverjdena_dorojnaya_karta_vaktsinatsii_ot_covid19_v_uk raine_stepanov_infografika
Given that most of us here are in the age group of 18-59 years, we are in the fifth place, ie wait at least 1.5 years.
Of course, this is an unploughed field for intermediaries (both official and not at all), who will promote people in line for a fee.
As well as at recent (2-3 years ago) excitement with registration of biometric foreign passports
аватар lamina
There is no pandemic. There is a business. Very big business and it can not be stopped already
аватар mishatour
lamina, whom business or pandemic... I envy you... the less you know, the better you sleep. I wish you and your entourage to sleep through this whole nightmare ... and suddenly it will work out)
аватар Marsyanchik
And what do they plan to vaccinate with: fizer or moderna?
аватар Marsyanchik
Here's another question, how old is the vaccination?
аватар Andrey111
Lamina, my colleague, with whom I sit in the same office, also reasoned approximately the same way. But after I got sick and burned half a lung, I changed my mind. During her two-week treatment in the hospital, ten people died from the covid ward (and according to official statistics, so many died throughout our region). Well, she said a lot more.
And the fact that a multibillion-dollar business is doing this (and many billions are by no means on the case), here I agree with you.
аватар dusik1981
A couple of days ago, Stepanov said that they plan to vaccinate and it is not Moderna or Pfizer, but AstraZeneca. For whom vaccination is provided in medicine, it has also been determined for a long time. The difference is that there will be countries that may not allow themselves without vaccination. As for what vaccination is needed and for whom to watch Lapi's interview, he told everything well.
аватар mishatour
Vaccination of Fiber and Moderna is provided from the age of 16. So far, tests on children have not been conducted, in the future they will be carried out. My children and sister have already received the first dose of Fiber (the second in 21 days). They feel ... unchanged. I can share my impressions only in February). All of a sudden there was a queue...and you have to wait more than a month.
аватар dusik1981
Turkey has introduced mandatory coronavirus testing for passengers arriving by air to the country from 28.12.2020, and from 30 December for those arriving by land and sea. As always, you need a certificate stating a negative PCR test. (which information will not be specified yet, whether as required by Egypt or another)
аватар Sergey_7979
dusik1981
The developers of the British "AstraZeneca" after it was rejected for use in Europe and the United States, began cooperation with the developers of the Russian vaccine "Sputnik V".
In fact, "AstraZeneca " is an export version of "Sputnik B ".
If this "AstraZeneca " will be used officially in Ukraine - I will not be vaccinated with it, it is better to overpay / buy unofficially (I'm sure there will be plenty of such offers) "Pfizer " or "Modern "
аватар dusik1981
Sergey_7979
I have provided information from Mr. Stepanov, it is unlikely that you will be vaccinated for free, unless you are a doctor or a police officer, as well as a pensioner. You can calculate the number of doses the country can buy, taking into account how many are included in the budget. Well, there will be a vaccine from COVAX, which at that time will be still no one knows from the vaccine tracker, there are currently about 50 vaccines, which are in various stages of development.
As for "Pfizer" or "Modena", read their official information and there is no mention of direct commercial sales.
аватар Sergey_7979
Dusik1981,
Knowing our people, a certain amount of medicine will inevitably go "left", stored in the same refrigerators as medicines that are subject to strict accounting.
In large private clinics (such as Boris, Dobrobut, Medicom, etc.), I'm sure there are refrigerators at -70C, if not yet - the owners will buy more. In addition, information recently flashed that a Ukrainian research and production association (apparently from Vinnytsia) has developed a prototype and passed the certification procedure for portable (portable) refrigerators capable of maintaining a temperature of -70 ... -80 C
So there are places to store vaccines in Ukraine, there would be a desire and opportunity to get them.
The Ministry of Health of Italy rents / buys all over the country
аватар dusik1981
Sergey_7979,
You are probably a little aware of this, but the vaccines are a little under-labeled, preserved and reported, and if desired, you can monitor the skin dose. Therefore, "left " with international income "very much through the hands of a proctologist ".
As for refrigeration equipment, in a country with such problems so far, there are a small number of virology laboratories and geneticists (and not all). So the problem is that there is no place to store and how to transport a large number of vaccines that require low temperatures. Maybe that's why the Ministry of Health did not contact Pfizer, and what is available is not necessarily in working order (the example of the Zhytomyr region with oxygen is a confirmation of that), but this is my opinion.
As for producers, I do not want to offend anyone, but Ukrainian producers, especially scientists, are yesterday. Production of Ukrainian PCR tests confirms this.
And personal experience with Ukrainian tests for sterilization proves it.
аватар Apyatka
I do not agree about Ukrainian producers. Vinnytsia and Odessa developments in allergology (enterprises "Immunologist ", "Simesta "), no worse than the German, Spanish, Italian. You have some stubborn ideas about Ukrainians and their brains.
аватар camomille
How I want to believe that we will fly in the summer ...
ah, it is not difficult to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived
аватар dusik1981
Apyatka
Go see with what "Simesta " especially everything related to microbiology and chemistry, and see that the Ukrainian there is only packaging. We had to work with them to compare the Ukrainian and ventilators with the "Chinese ". The problem is that Ukrainian manufacturers make big mistakes that are not modern.
аватар Sergey_7979
However, vaccines in private clinics in Ukraine will be:
https://censor.net/be/news/3239241/vaktsina_ot_covid19_dlya_gosudarstvennyh_i_chastnyh_kli nik_popadet_v_ukrainu_odnovremenno_ekspert_minzdrava/sortby/tree/order/asc/ page/1#84
The only question is the price
аватар nadezda2017
The people, or am I so stupid, but I don’t understand ..... 43 coronoviruses have been discovered and studied, 7 of them are recognized as dangerous to humans. Including the current one. Viruses are constantly mutating, constantly changing. We live among them. Have been ill more than once. Is it really possible to hope that the vaccine will guess which virus will visit us. It is necessary to create then a universal vaccine. But it's definitely not in this life. Don't fool nature!
This is what concerns natural viruses. But, as an option, a leak of viruses artificially created in laboratories is possible.
And you can not compare vaccination against measles, smallpox, poliomyelitis with a variety of coronovirus infections.
Personally, I believe that salvation is only in immunity. So scientists need to work on a drug that can increase and maintain immunity, at least for people at risk. Moreover, there is something to build on. Interferon, for example.
аватар Apyatka
dusik1981, so let's agree that there are handrails in Ukraine, but not all) We are not handwriting?)
As for Simesti, it is not only packaging, although they use world achievements (and why not?), They also produce their own products. Clinical trials of a wide range of linear allergen blots have recently been completed. Showed excellent results.
The point is not in a specific Simest, but in the fact that you called all Ukrainians fools in one group.
аватар Marsyanchik
The problem is that in the European Union, unlike the United States and Canada, they did not conclude and pay for a contract for the supply of a sufficient number of vaccines on time. And now there the vaccination process can stretch for a year. For example, Germany has received about 50,000 doses of vaccines (out of a population of 80 million), while the United States has already vaccinated more than half a million people.
аватар Apyatka
nadezda2017, a vaccine against a specific SARS-COV-2 virus has now been created. This particular virus stopped tourism, complicated business, claimed hundreds of thousands of lives. It is pointless to vaccinate against all coronoviruses.
But, using the example of the flu, we see how quickly viruses mutate and a new vaccine is released every season. The average person doesn't even think about it.
When the pandemic is stopped, perhaps a vaccine for the coronavirus will be developed like the flu - a new one every season.
аватар Marsyanchik
Ukraine has no funds at all to purchase vaccines. While waiting for financial assistance. That is, you first need to find a sponsor, then wait your turn waiting for the finished vaccine. It’s even hard to imagine when this puzzle might come together.
аватар Apyatka
Sergey_7979 opened your link.
The expert’s strange conclusion (is this really an expert?)) : “I don’t believe that private traders can get it earlier than the state. Because for any manufacturer, even the amount of a thousand doses that a private clinic can order is for them it's nothing, they're not interested," the expert said.
No private traders ever buy anything from manufacturers directly. Because manufacturers never sell anything directly. There is an official distributor who buys for Ukraine and sells both to private medical institutions and public ones. This applies to all purchases, not just vaccines.
аватар dusik1981
Apyatka,
I did not call anyone a fool, I wrote, only that our scientists invent it yesterday. The problem is as simple as ever, except for the brains, we need a good research and scientific base, but it does not exist, and never has.
As for vaccines, the EU representative said that in the near future there will be no commercial sale, and if someone is offered to buy, she asked to report to Europol.
Given this, the vaccine will be available for sale no earlier than 6-9 months, and only if there are several more manufacturers on the market.
аватар camomille
According to Europol, fraudsters have already started offering a "coronavirus vaccine" online, and such counterfeit drugs can be dangerous to human health.
Details: Against the background of the beginning of mass vaccination in the EU, fraudsters have become more active on the Internet, offering to buy from them substances that are a vaccine against Covid-19. Europol has warned that anyone who decides to buy such a "vaccine" from fraudsters risks not only losing their money and health.
Direct speech: "If a person becomes a victim of such fraud, it can, of course, cause serious damage to health."
Additionally, Europol has already reported suspicious "sales" to EU member states and urged law enforcement to be vigilant.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2020/12/27/7278291/
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