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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар Olgaolga153
My husband and I took root in Sputnik-V. My husband had huge bruises on his legs 7 days after the second dose. A friend had a similar situation, so there is no doubt that the "marks" are directly related to vaccination. Feeling all right.
A familiar couple (40+) almost a year ago had covid. The husband is in a mild form, the wife is in a state of moderate severity. Six months later, they took root in full. And just recently got sick again. The disease passes one-on-one like the first time.
There are a lot of sick people around: both vaccinated and unvaccinated. In October alone, 2 people died among acquaintances. Whether they were vaccinated, I don't know.
аватар Iren48
Thanks everyone for the info.
TC is silent :(
аватар Olgaolga153
"And TS is silent :("
So he probably took root in the second round.
аватар dusik1981
For those who are not vaccinated, but travel abroad The Government of Ukraine has amended Resolution №1236 to show the border guard activated the application "Home" Otherwise - Ukrainian citizens will be sent for a 14-day observation, and foreigners will be denied entry to territory of Ukraine.
To register in the application "Home" or on the official portal you need to provide the following information:
last name, first name, patronymic of the person (if any);
series and / or passport number;
defined by a special place of self-isolation;
means of communication (telephone number);
Within 72 hours to the above data, in addition, the result of PCR or antigen test performed in verified laboratories of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine. If any of the tests show a negative result, the use of "Home" can be removed. In the case of a positive result should act for
аватар dusik1981
according to the developed recommendations, ie call your family doctor.
At the same time, if for any reason the person did not pass the test after crossing the border, after 72 hours the application is deactivated and the information is automatically transmitted to law enforcement agencies, which will continue to conduct a random check of self-isolation.
The stated changes come into force from the moment of official publication of the Resolution. "
аватар dusik1981
As for Greece, and references, or rather "Actions ". The Greeks do not officially recognize, while the application "Action ", I think the reason does not need to explain why (who is very interested in writing in private). As for paper certificates, it all depends on the shift manager.
Well, a little more news, 22.10.21 CMU must consider and approve who needs the third dose of the vaccine, so what are the contraindications against vaccination (then each doctor will not be able to determine the contraindications).
And We are waiting for changes from the Ministry of Health regarding changes in the vaccination calendar (I also think there is no need to explain why)
аватар Apyatka
I wonder what about those who come from Russia and India? So far, they are not allowed to remove the 14-day isolation by any tests.
аватар dusik1981
For the Russian Federation, do not take the exchange yet
аватар dusik1981
We are waiting for what to adopt tomorrow and when what to adopt will be put into effect
аватар hanno4ka
India seems to be opening up for tourism, they have a very high percentage of vaccinations and entered the list of countries that are allowed to Bali, along with China (we are not expected there :(((
аватар dusik1981
India for charters opened on October 15 for tour visas, if nothing changes "individuals " will be able to visit from November 15. As for Ukraine and India, where is the info to be interested in the link to the official source.
аватар dusik1981
https://www.eoiukraine.gov.in/resumptio-of-tourist-visa.php
Here is the official information about traveling to India. You just have to think carefully about whether you want to go for self-isolation when you return
аватар Apyatka
There is no self-isolation for the vaccinated, no matter where they come from.
I accepted the chip and sleep peacefully) Distribute Wi-Fi)
аватар dusik1981
so of course, the main thing is to call a neighbor to be the best wifi)))
аватар Sergey_7979
Maybe someone is interested in:
Malta has banned Ukrainian citizens from entering, regardless of whether they have a vaccination certificate or a negative test.
This is another confirmation that vaccination for free travel around the world is an illusion.
The main thing is who has what color zone, who keeps statistics
аватар Sergey_7979
Maybe someone is interested in:
acquaintances when returning from Turkey decided not to take the test, and go to self-isolation (they are freelancers, still work from home remotely).
So in modern rules of self-isolation one innovation which was not considered by dusik1981 is provided:
Now a person is allowed to leave the place of self-isolation for no more than 2 hours a day (including the appropriate timer in the VDOMA application), but not further than 1 km.
That is, it follows that if a person is infected and hides the symptoms, then for 2 hours every day, a person can safely go outside (to shops, other institutions) and infect others.
This is not self-isolation, this is profanity!
аватар klichko
I'll report too. All vaccinated, no one got sick TTT!
Interesting statistics on sick staff at the supplier. More than 30 people fell ill. Half vaccinated, all in mild form. Unvaccinated hard, 4 people in the hospital. It was already beginning to doubt vaccination, but the fact is on the face
аватар klichko
And by the way, many who are familiar with the requirements of vaccination at work buy certificates. They bring it to Dia, everything is clean. Our harsh reality
аватар Slav_na
I read about 2 hours of "walking" - I crap, dear editors!
girlfriend, 2 citizenships, Moldova and Israel, flew to Tel Aviv with all the tests - sorry, but FSUs. 14 days alone in the room, food on a table that blocks the door, an empty tray there. There is WiFi and TV. everything, to oroche, in an adult way
аватар nataha33
The norm about going outside during self-isolation for a certain time was before. People need to somehow buy food, medicines, not everyone can afford to order online. But in this case, we are talking about "possibly infected" who returned from abroad. Aren't you afraid of the really infected, who are not forced to install the application and do not control their stay in crowded places? It's good if a sick person put on a mask and drove quickly to the nearest pharmacy or store. But there are those who go to work across the city with confirmed Covid...
аватар dusik1981
Shchob bulo everything in a grown-up way, it was just necessary to lead an overhead camp
аватар Andrey111
"I'll report back too. Everyone is vaccinated, no one got sick, mmm!"
The opposite option. Two vaccinated, two unvaccinated. Now everyone gets sick, and the disease is the same for everyone. Something seems to me that all this vaccination is a fake on a global scale, earning super profits by pharmaceutical corporations.
аватар klichko
Something seems to me that all this vaccination is a fake on a global scale,
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That's what half of humanity thinks. We can only guess and it is unlikely that we will know the truth. But the disease is too dumb to translate everything into loot
A lot of things confuse me too and I even think about the consequences of vaccination. But the question arises why they started with the destruction of the Golden Billion, and not conditional blacks .... so otozh)
аватар dusik1981
As for the kovid and there, some oath was once written to me there. But this ... but in the vastness of the network I came across a conversation between a doctor from a hospital in the Zaporozhye region with anti-vaxa, I will not quote everything
And what do you say? Oh really? I will give you even more shocking information. We will all die. Let's not fasten seat belts in the car. This is in the tradition of our country. After all, buckles die in car accidents. We will not protect ourselves from anything at all, because no one is immortal. I do not know how to explain to you that your phrase, according to its formal logic, is in fact a wild delusion, which you are trying to justify and justify what is happening in Ukrainian hospitals. I'm sorry if it's not an argument for you that vaccination reduces by 10 times
аватар dusik1981
chance of dying from covid. On the conscience of the Ukrainian authorities and a wise people with rights and freedoms, there are hundreds of thousands of infections per day and tens of thousands of deaths that could have been avoided.
Lovers of freedom with their own opinions and demands for a guarantee of immortality, and if not, then I won’t prick. Yes, you choke on your freedom, do not get vaccinated, just be kind, stay at home and do not poke into the hospital when you get sick and start to choke on the 2nd week. You will beg, doctor, give me more oxygen! And he is no more. Contracts for the supply of oxygen are being broken, because the consumption of the latter in the country has increased by tens, or maybe hundreds of times over the past month. Oxygen concentrators do not solve the problem, they help not the most severe patients. The local administration regretted the money for the expensive oxygen station, they are more needed for someone else. There is only one new high-quality ventilator suitable for critically ill patients in the hospital.
аватар dusik1981
Another good one, but old and will stall at any moment. There are others, in principle, you can use when the others are busy. There are not enough nurses, attendants, and care for seriously ill patients is difficult. And the deep people, who have heard a lot of homies in the market and gurus on YouTube / Facebook, have their own authoritative opinion about vaccination. And parents, elderly and old people, chronically ill people who needed a vaccine in the first place, were dissuaded too. Do not come to the hospital yourself and do not bring your parents. Be responsible for your fucking idiotic opinion and your actions. Do not beg: doctor, save me! We will not save, because the healthcare system is critically unprepared for the peak of the incidence, from the word at all. Thank your ninety-five quarter idols and yourself. The year was wasted. Doctors, specialists in acute conditions, understood this for a long time, but no one listened to them. Everyone has their own opinion and freedom. Masks under the nose, parties, the vaccine is evil. Eat now.
аватар dusik1981
And come on, tell me about spaceships and outer space and that I'm a "doctor and should not write such words", but I owe you this and that. I don't owe you anything if you don't owe it to yourself, your relatives, the people around you that you infect on the right and on the left. And somehow strangely you become humble and understand the truth with an oxygen mask on your face. And excited, inadequate and blue at the time of switching tanks with oxygen, if the technician in the oxygen will yawn for a couple of minutes. (AND NO ONE vaccinated among dozens of oxygen-dependent patients with the infection.)
Anyway, I stop participating in this discussion. Not only smart, but just not an idiot - enough.
As for me, the man gave a good answer
аватар Apyatka
I have one question, sorry. Now there are a lot of such articles on the Internet. About the seriously ill, the dying, about the lack of oxygen in hospitals and about "not a single vaccinated in intensive care." So the question is - if there are millions of false certificates in Ukraine, then why are there no such patients with false certificates in intensive care? Why, nevertheless, not a single vaccinated? Or do they confess before they die that the certificate has been bought?
аватар dusik1981
Apyatka
In general, this is not an article I'm commenting on FB. As for the certificates purchased at the hospital, you seem to work in the medical field, and what is wrong with the situation with 7 patients with such certificates, and how did they confess and what is there now in the hospital where they were sold? Apparently you have a good "self-isolation " :)))
аватар mishatour
...dusik1981, I completely agree with you. I don’t know what kind of vaccine we are talking about, but without going into details ... Vaccination is the only way to defeat the “corona” Israel has taken on the role of a “guinea pig” for the fizer and the results speak for themselves .... Today, the Israelis are vaccinated for the third time (half a year after the second vaccination). 60% of the population has been vaccinated, and if a month ago there were 10 thousand patients a day, today there are 1 thousand. There were 800 seriously ill patients, today 300. Yes, experience has shown that after half a year, antibodies decrease sharply ... so we went around the 3rd circle .... It seems to me that Jews are not the most stupid people .... I recommend reading and following Israeli statistics instead of reading horror stories ....
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