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аватар zolyshka111
nadezda2017, so above they wrote about the mental (Zoshchenko), but you can’t argue against the classics. It is when a person is vchyony, then the light turns upside down for him. Sorry, upside down. (again a classic, Staritsky)
аватар Slav_na
nadezda2017,
as Khoja Nasreddin used to say, "and you're right!"...
I have 5 doctors in my family and my friend has exactly the same number. mine are all grafted always and from everything. girlfriends shirk as soon as they can. everyone is right for himself. and most importantly, it seems to me, do not blame and do not force, live your mind
аватар zolyshka111
It's strange, there are five doctors in the family, but they can't cure... People go to be treated far away. Something they have not finalized here (Strugatsky, the morning starts on Monday), wherever you look, one classic.
аватар Slav_na
God forbid you, girl, do not face what is incurable. you, as a doctor, understand how fragile life is, therefore - health to you and your family
аватар zolyshka111
God grant you everything doubly, what you wish me.
PS, tomorrow is Monday, it's time for a vaccination.
аватар nadezda2017
If all the money that swelled into this pandemic were purposefully directed to healthcare, then most likely the devil would not be as scary as he is painted. In addition to PCR tests and vaccines, how many different bureaus, commissions, prevention and control centers, information centers ...... etc. they created us. And they still come up with a lottery for the vaccinated. At the same time, the winning fund is no more than the costs of organizing this lottery. In general, "To whom is the war, and to whom is the mother dear."
аватар Scurra-2
A bit useful. We are in Turkey. Only the certificate was shown in Boryspil. The test was, but not shown for the interest and out of harm. The girl twirled this paper for a long time, and then, impressed by the abundance of seals, she passed silently. In Turkey, they did not watch anything anywhere. The guide said to wear a hotel voucher and a ges code in digital form. in phone.
аватар nadin65
And where can I get it in digital???
I can't go to DIA, where else? Helsmee? So there is only a record about vaccinations, and that's it, there is no ges-code ....
аватар Pachok
The hes code is for Turkey, it comes after filling out the form on the Turkish site.
аватар Apyatka
There are hundreds of doctors in my environment, this is understandable) Everyone has their own personal opinion for and against, and those who are in favor have long quarreled about which vaccine is better)
аватар Scurra-2
The Ges code is the registration on the website of the Turkish Embassy. You receive it on your phone and present it. We also printed. Now many countries are asking to fill out such questionnaires. With regards to covid, everything is here, sorry, to the light bulb!
аватар nadin65
Thank you, I understand) The agency filled out the questionnaire for us last year. Vacation is coming soon, so I'm worried, reading, reading...
I want to go to the sea)) I'm afraid that the borders will not be closed again. According to the budget, we are considering Turkey-Kemer, Egypt-Marsa Alam or Sharm, closer to September we need to decide, so we also want the 1st line, it will still be hot.
аватар Apyatka
Last year, hes codes were introduced in October or November. I flew away on October 2, these codes were not yet required
аватар klichko
The data for yesterday is purely neighing. And the percentage of vaccination by country even rested stoned. 1st digit sick, 2nd dead
Israel +3218 +9
United Kingdom +21687 +24
Russia +23508 +785
Russia has been blaming vaccination for a long time. Here he is trying to catch up, but the train is already derailed. And by the way, the rate of vaccination in our southeastern regions is low on guard (but adherents are not only there)
аватар Apyatka
High mortality is not due to the denial of vaccination. And because of the low detection. Many people get sick at home and do not go anywhere. Many patients go to work. In Ukraine, the same story, only the numbers are now low. Autumn will come...
аватар Apyatka
klichko "The accustomed are much less likely to get pricked by bullshit than the unvaccinated get sick and infect dozens of the same stubborn ones."
For reference, the vaccinated have the same chances to get sick and infect as the unvaccinated. No one promises that a vaccinated person will not get sick. And even more so, no one promises that the vaccinated person will not infect other people, even if he does not get sick himself. And this is the whole sadness of the current vaccination.
аватар Slav_na
no one promises that the vaccinated person will not infect other people, even if he does not get sick himself ===
but from this place it is possible in more detail?
Is the vaccinated person a carrier and therefore a vector? why did they initially say that after vaccination, quarantine is necessary, and then the rhetoric changed dramatically?
аватар Slav_na
for my "friends": I don't want to ask my doctors, because the world in the family is more dear to me))) I myself have never been a doctor, I have the right not to understand the elementary)))
аватар nadezda2017
These are the statistics of carriers of the virus in Israel as of 02.08.
16-19 years old: 744 fully vaccinated, 22 "semi-vaccinated", 333 unvaccinated;
20-29 years old: 1734 fully vaccinated, 50 "semi-vaccinated", 545 unvaccinated;
30-39 years old: 2059 fully vaccinated, 38 "semi-vaccinated", 587 unvaccinated;
40-49 years old: 2023 fully vaccinated, 26 "semi-vaccinated", 443 unvaccinated;
50-59 years old: 1427 fully vaccinated, 20 "semi-vaccinated", 285 unvaccinated;
60-69 years old: 1431 fully vaccinated, 9 semi-vaccinated, 152 unvaccinated;
70-79 years old: 942 fully vaccinated, 11 "semi-vaccinated", 84 unvaccinated;
80-89 years old: 440 fully vaccinated, 6 semi-vaccinated, 61 unvaccinated;
90 years and older: 123 fully vaccinated, 3 "semi-vaccinated", 13 unvaccinated;
P.s. Statistics is a capricious thing, you can believe it, you can not believe it.
Got such data. Mortality is minimal, but almost half of them are vaccinated.
аватар klichko
High mortality is not due to the denial of vaccination. And because of the low detection.
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Low detection of mortality? I mean, he died at home and no one noticed? Don't you think that the logical chain is broken? Was it in England, Israel with a transparent status of unaccounted for more than in a conspiratorial rush? And where people get sick more at home, an open question
My Muscovites are outraged by the indifference of the authorities. And how the nephew left, just a thriller. And the cause of death was indicated as delusional, although they did not want to give the body
And that the vaccinated are sick is not a question. Another thing is how hard it is. It's strange to hear all this from you
аватар hanno4ka
Alas. vaccinated people become infected with covid and at this moment they are carriers (when the virus multiplies on the nasal mucosa, but we don’t wear masks! We are vaccinated!) and can easily infect others. vaccinated people get sick, although according to statistics it is much easier and there are few hospitalizations, and what is somehow kept silent about is that not all vaccinated people develop antibodies, just like not all those who have been ill, the numbers in different studies are different, I am for vaccination, if anything :) ))))
аватар Slav_na
hanno4ka,
===vaccinated people become infected with covid and at this moment they are carriers===
I also thought so, and, since my family has people "from the risk zone", I need to be vaccinated. but in the subject I was convinced that it was a myth and a bluff. and who to believe? or is Dr. Gregory right and everyone is lying?)))
аватар hanno4ka
But how does vaccination work - the vaccine is not a magical defense, it stimulates cellular and humoral (antibodies) immunity, cellular immunity has not been massively studied and the tests are very expensive and inaccessible, I don’t know if we have them, while the virus is on the mucous membrane - the cellular immunity, this is in theory, in fact, everything works differently for everyone, just like a different infectious dose, and as long as the body copes with the virus on the mucous membrane, a person can secrete it.
аватар Apyatka
YaSlavnaYa
When a person is vaccinated, then from this vaccination he IS NOT A CARRIER AND CANNOT INFECT ANYONE.
But he can infect himself. At the same time, it can get sick (easy, as we are promised, although it happens in different ways). When ill, he infects others in the same way as an unvaccinated one.
But he can get infected and not get sick (just like an unvaccinated one), and then he does not know that he is sick, but infects other people. And a false sense of security (I was grafted in) deprives a person of caution.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Do not think that the vaccinated do not get sick. And, most importantly, do not think that the vaccinated do not neigh others.
This is such an ambush, in fact, because very different results were expected from vaccination.
аватар Slav_na
I understand perfectly well that vaccinated people get sick too, and that vaccination is not a panacea. I only care about one question: should I, having been vaccinated, separate from my husband for a while, or can I continue kissing immediately after the injection. the rest, to be honest, interests me insofar as ...
Apyatka, it’s just that your phrase “no one promises that the vaccinated person will not infect other people, even if he doesn’t get sick himself” made me a little tense. if you meant that "no one promises that the vaccinated (BEING ILL AND NOT FEELING THIS0, will not infect other people", then it's understandable, thanks
аватар Apyatka
klichko
"It's strange to hear all this from you"
Why strange? I am always for the truth.
Do the vaccinated get sick? Get sick.
Are others infected? Infect.
Do they get sick easier? Yes, there are such statistics.
The vaccine does not give protection to OTHER people, so both unvaccinated "stoned" and vaccinated "enlightened" can infect both stoned and non-stoned people.
Therefore, there is nothing to blame for the unvaccinated.
My body is my business
"Low detection of mortality?"
Low detection of the disease. If 100 out of 1,000 people who get sick die, that's an awfully high mortality rate, but if 100 out of 100,000 people die, that's a different story.
Therefore, the worse the DETECTION of the DISEASE, the higher the mortality figures seem to be. Many get sick easily and are not included in the statistics, because they do not pass tests and do not go to doctors. The incidence is at least 5 times higher than official statistics show.
аватар Apyatka
YaSlavnaYa
Well, in fact, a person who does not feel the disease is not sick. Just a carrier. The process is going on, but he is not sick. He infects others, but he himself does not get sick.
And the vaccine does not infect. The vaccine is NOT LIVE.
But I remember that your doctor told you otherwise. Or I misunderstood.
But I was very surprised.
аватар Slav_na
Many get sick easily and are not included in the statistics, because they do not pass tests and do not go to doctors. At least 5 times higher incidence than official statistics show ===
this is what scares me the most. shoot me - but I don’t believe that everything is as rosy with us as Viber reports to me every day ... it’s just that people, getting sick, climb into FB, are treated according to a sarafan - and few people want to spend their hard-earned money on a test, which, in addition, will imprison Houses. everything at random
аватар Slav_na
Apyatka ,
no, the doctor (my husband, not mine) said very carefully: "Thank God, you are not my patient, so I can neither advise nor forbid you - it's up to you!" and my husband forbade it categorically. and even gave paper, with coats of arms and seals)))
that is, to be honest, it can be understood in two ways. I understood it the way I understood it
аватар klichko
after all, very different results were expected from vaccination.
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I also had a private island in my plans)
There is a positive trend, thank you already. A friend in London is not overjoyed that after many months of tin, freedom has come. And with the advent of the delta, only minimal restrictions were introduced
Did not understand each other. I agree with almost everything. But the mortality rate is depressing, both in bare numbers and in the environment
I will use the mask even after vaccination (where necessary)
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