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Until what date is quarantine in Egypt and advise on when it is better to reschedule the tour (we are planning for the end of May)?
Until what date is quarantine in Egypt and advise on when it is better to reschedule the tour (we are planning for the end of May)?
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аватар Vika284
Some more information from the WHO, which was only now remembered
"Pregnant women, children under 59 months of age, the elderly, people with chronic health conditions (such as chronic heart, lung and kidney disease, metabolic disorders, neurodevelopmental disorders, liver disease) are at increased risk of developing severe illness or complications as a result of infection and blood) and people who are immunosuppressed (as a result of HIV/AIDS, chemotherapy or steroid treatment, and due to malignancies).
Health care workers are at high risk of influenza virus infection during contact with patients and may facilitate further transmission of the infection, especially to people at risk."
аватар AllOverTheWorld
all adequate people who can filter and search for information understand this, but who will listen to us "serfs".
Now in the world about 0.0003% of the population has died from the effects of covid.
hmm, during epidemics with a higher transmission and with a very high lethal outcome, let's take the Spanish flu (not to mention smallpox and plague), from 2.7 to 5% of the population died (and this is with terrible unsanitary conditions, a low level of medicine and against the backdrop of the First World War)
And yes, my parents are also at risk, but my mother has very serious problems with housing and communal services, and frequent monitoring should be carried out, but! against the backdrop of quarantine, all specialized hospitals are in quarantine! and it is extremely difficult to get an ultrasound and other studies (only private clinics) in the previous thread, I told how I was offered a consultation in a neurological hospital only once a week via Skype, due to quarantine.
A friend's mother has cancer in the last stage, more than 20 chemistries, one came up, but the medicines have to be brought from Moscow, but how? quarantine...
аватар Apyatka
With the swine flu virus, a general quarantine was not introduced, because there were no such peak loads on hospitals. The virus spread more slowly, patients did not need ventilators so massively. During the year, according to WHO, 18.5 thousand people died from swine flu. For a year, pay attention again.
Only at the end of the epidemic, the data was recalculated and it turned out to be 400 thousand. When the covid epidemic ends, the numbers will also be recalculated, do not hesitate.
To date, data on 17.7 thousand deaths. This is for 3 months. The growth rate is very high. 400 thousand may be in another 3 months, if not in 2, if the chain of transmission is not interrupted. Too high contact. A mass of asymptomatic carriers infect everyone around them.
The figures for influenza, which are given here, are also taken from epidemics that have already ended. That is, they cannot be compared with the epidemic that is starting. But the mortality rate for influenza, according to statistics, is less than 1 percent. Covid about 9.
I don't understand why you are angry? What do you want? Expose the global conspiracy
аватар ollennka
9% so far only in Italy. And the most interesting thing is that many countries are stupid to diagnose the virus. A colleague in Austria went to the clinic with symptoms and was denied a test. We can say that this is an experienced doctor, without analysis, determined the absence of a crown, and it can be assumed that not all cases want to be registered, but only more severe ones, hence the high mortality rate.
аватар Vika284
"The figures for influenza that are given here are also taken from epidemics that have already ended"
These figures for seasonal influenza epidemics every year that happen, read again carefully:
"It is estimated that annual influenza epidemics result in 3-5 million cases of severe illness and 290,000 to 650,000 deaths from respiratory diseases."
аватар Apyatka
9% mortality in Italy. Do you think that during a high outbreak, when hospitals are overwhelmed, there will be less deaths in Ukraine or Russia? Is our healthcare better than Italian?
It's not even a matter of percentages. Here is an attempt to smooth out the peak load on hospitals. Those who understand that they will have to work for 12 hours in a protective suit that soars mercilessly, in a respirator that puts an incredible load on the lungs, in a diaper that ... (think about it yourself, if your imagination allows) and at the same time make a choice , who to save, and who to step over, those people (here is the cry of the soul on behalf of all doctors) ask you - stay at home!
аватар Vika284
To date, 372,757 people have fallen ill
16,231 died
4.35% - mortality
American epidemiologists are very doubtful of these figures.
аватар Vika284
Statistics in % of deaths from the new coronavirus in Italy
age over 90 years - 25.6%
80–89 years - 23.2%
70-79 years old - 15.3%
60-69 years old - 4.9%
50-59 years old - 1.2%
40-49 years old - 0.6%
30-39 years old - 0.4%
20-29 - 0%
10-19 - 0%
0-9 - 0%
аватар Apyatka
Vika284, and I repeat to you again that the numbers after the end of the epidemic and at the beginning of the epidemic are not compared. During the flu season, high mortality is given by countries where medicine is completely in a deplorable state. Now we see statistics on countries where medicine is at a high level. In other words, when there are high outbreaks in poor countries, the counter will break, there will be so many deaths. During the flu season, have you seen people lying on the floor of hospitals in Spain, for example? No beds, no machines. The influx is more than hospitals can handle. And this is a blessed country.
Now in the world from covid 17.7 thousand deaths. It was in the morning, at least.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Apyatka, the cry of the soul of the majority of the population, what to live for?
Well, you are talking about some kind of plague, and not about a respiratory disease.
Smoothing the peak load on hospitals
And who will smooth out the peak load of loans, taxes, utility bills (you don’t have to pay penalties, interest, etc., but this does not eliminate the main payments that also accumulate)
I do not argue with you and do not quarrel in any way. Just before introducing a strict quarantine, it was necessary to think about the population, otherwise our oligarchs will again earn super profits even in quarantine (socket, new mail, atb, I’m silent about pharmaceutical companies, the epicenter, etc.) and the small and most of the medium-sized businesses left deep underground or lay down completely.
Talked yesterday with my brother (USA Seattle)
a moratorium on price increases once, social confidence in the future two, the system to work online has long been developed, there is no connection to public transport at all (as in many countries of the world), unlike ours.
аватар Vika284
Apyatka American epidemiologists doubt the correctness of the procedure for taking these tests and the percentage of mortality, especially in Italy
And the same epidemiology speaks of the problem of general quarantine - that there will be no herd immunity. And subsequent outbreaks of this virus will cause even more deaths.
аватар Apyatka
By the way, I also doubt the mortality rate, given the fact that asymptomatic people are not detected at all, and patients with mild symptoms are recorded in SARS, because no one does tests for them. If everyone who was infected with the covid virus were identified, then the mortality rate would become less and would not be so frightening.
Each of us, and the world as a whole, and the government of all countries still do not have experience with a pandemic of this nature, so criticism and gag give nothing.
I do not call for fear. I urge you to assess the situation, accept it, consider your actions and protect yourself and your loved ones.
And survive this quarantine without nerves.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
In Korea, quarantine was not introduced, and even the borders with China were not closed.
In our country, the outbreak began when our illegal immigrants, and then everyone else, began to return home en masse, so why couldn’t it be done like in Sanzhary? much less human and financial resources would have been spent than the introduction of quarantine.
Tourists arrived from Ega (1 infected in Zaporizhia region), why did the outbreak start in western Ukraine? Yes, because the lion's share of migrant workers from Europe is from there, and who knows how many illegally crossed the border there. And how many really sick people are unknown.
In Kyiv, too, it is clear that such a flow from Europe has gushed.
17 thousand deaths in the world? So, the population is 7.7 billion, let's take 18 thousand deaths, this will be 0.00023%. And by the way, medicine in Italy is not so strong, many Italians even came to us, because it is better and cheaper.
аватар Andrey111
Yes, if the quarantine is extended, it may come to the point that hungry, brutalized people will storm food stores (as in Venezuela). Most of the population has no cash reserves. The state does not plan any compensation, and even more so organizations that send their employees at their own expense.
Imagine extending the quarantine for another month. And most of the question arises, for what to live. And then, obviously, riots will begin.
аватар Apyatka
Everyone will get sick, despite the quarantine. And we will be immune. We are not closed in bunkers.
Quarantine is just to ensure that the transmission of the virus does not occur so quickly that there is no peak in the incidence. To be able to help everyone or at least a larger number of patients.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
about! which was required to prove quarantine until April 24.
аватар Apyatka
I can already see which of us is prone to hunger riots)
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Apyatka, young people who worked in public catering, seamstresses, etc., who were naturally fired by agreement of the parties, who definitely do not have money, but have loans and installments, and single mothers (manicure services, hairdressers) sellers of clothing stores, shoes and etc., how can they live for 1.5 months (and this is still)? Watch funny videos of wealthy stars and politicians at home what to do in quarantine?
аватар Apyatka
I do not know what to do with them, this is the government's business. I, as a doctor, know about medicine and I tell you about it. What measures the government of each country is taking, I do not monitor.
But here's an example: Ukraine. My husband is the owner of a public catering point, where there is one employee besides him. Business has been put on hold. There is no rent, no need to pay taxes until the end of the quarantine. No fees for utilities.
The chef was asked to stay at work and cook for delivery. He refused and is in quarantine. Maybe he'll change his mind in a week.
My husband took the car and went to carry my employees to and from work. I am in quarantine, I am at risk. I work from home, what I can, for example, the same transportation logistics. This is for a very small salary.
My entire clinic has moved to short work hours, short work weeks, reduced crews
It's hard, yes. But it is better for the healthy to think than to do, than for the sick to think of nothing.
Please tell us how you have rebuilt your life now
аватар AllOverTheWorld
I take my mother to work, even though she is 70, but she works, they don’t let go (utility company), I also drive some of my husband’s employees, they still work (closed production), no one canceled taxes for employees, and this is the lion’s share of taxes, like VAT, etc.
I am connected with food, so I can say I was lucky, but many customers have disappeared (public catering), retail trade saves me, I don’t take my profit, because it has fallen a lot, I pay at least something to employees (10 people who have families), but a close friend TA owner, 23 years on the market - he fired everyone, the lease was not canceled for him, he switched to "subcutaneous fat", 2 children, an elderly mother, there are no other sources of income.
my manicurist, a single mother, this year my son to enter, rests on regular customers who have dropped out by 70%, the rent has not been canceled. There are a lot of stories. and not all optimistic. Although I am a very big optimist. And yes, I don’t worry about unsuccessful trips at all (today there was supposed to be a flight to Egi), but after the cancellation of Italy on March 6
аватар AllOverTheWorld
already realized that Egi does not shine,
A business trip to Turkey on April 12 was also covered naturally.
Egi is booked for May 15 for parents (dad's 75th birthday). What will happen next I do not know.
And yes, I’m not afraid of a new respiratory disease, not a drop, but the consequences of quarantine are very
аватар Vika284
Metrograd in Kyiv set a lease for April for everyone, a fine for non-payment of 60% will be removed from the guarantee payment
my neighbor, a cleaner in several offices, was sent on vacation at her own expense, she complained on the weekend that it was difficult for her now, there was no money and prices were raised by stores for the cheapest products that were available to her, I imagine how she would be "happy" and "survive quarantine no nerves"
Stores "Vse svoi" sent employees on vacation at their own expense. One of the employees has a mother with cancer, his wife is on maternity leave, he is the only one who works in the family, they have 0% financial cushion.
аватар moy_contakt
Tryndets .... Quarantine was extended until April 24, damn it, I was so hoping that the brain would still start to turn on somewhere .....
аватар Vika284
moy_contakt where do they get their brains from
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Well, yes, but they are fun to show how to spend quarantine at home.
If only by the summer this quarantine would be stopped
I thought after the 14th year it won't get any worse.
And here....
аватар Apyatka
Metrograd in Kyiv put everyone up for rent in April - that's what to do. Google how you can legally not pay rent during quarantine, look for a force majeure clause in your contract, get a force majeure certificate.
Who has a vacation at their own expense - find out what payments are due to employees during quarantine in case of vacation at their own expense. How long does an employer have the right to send employees at its own expense?
Who was fired (and there is such a thing) - to become on the stock exchange.
Do all this until we are closed for strict quarantine with a ban on going out.
That's what I'm talking about - stop moaning and asking who has and who does not have a brain.
It's time to turn on your own brain and move your paws.
Do not ask "who is to blame", think "what to do".
аватар zolyshka111
Apyatka, I'm reading your messages and I get the impression that you are not yourself, sorry!
Which exchange to join if everyone is fired of their own free will, and how long have you been on the exchange? You can send a maximum at your own expense for a year for 15 days, then naturally they will also write an application on their own.
Turning on your brain and moving your paws is a great offer. People above wrote real problems to you, give advice on how to be millions of non-doctors, not businessmen, not super-purple mega-mouses, but simple hard workers, with a bunch of problems - HOW they can survive. Thanks for the advice!
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Apyatka, but no way! whoever has a lot of money will become even more, once again the middle class will become poorer, and there will be more beggars.
Rent and tax on commercial property were canceled for those who rent from the state or a public utility (I rent a store from a person who rented from a KP, so he will not pay rent, and I tell him, purely at his discretion, he says , well, you work, so pay) but the owners of the shopping center will not pay tax, but the abolition of rent is only at their discretion, our government does not regulate this in any way.
ERUs have been canceled, so it's a penny, and I pay about 40% of the minimum monthly salary for each office employee!!! And imagine how many employees were in the shops and sewers? Who will pay for them? There is no work at all, the markets have all stopped, there are wholesalers left, but who will need clothes and shoes now, if there is something for it.
zolyshka111 +100500!
аватар zolyshka111
AllOverTheWorld Thank you. I myself am an employee, while I go to work, but it seems that from the first of April they send everyone at my own expense ... My management does not care about employees ....
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Banks still do not have a single algorithm on how not to pay interest on the debt, if any, they say write in any form.
Penalty for housing and communal services is a penny, but the debt will not go anywhere.
Apyatka, and do you really think that everyone observes quarantine?)) I can tell you how much our authorities are now asking entrepreneurs for closing their eyes to work, etc.
Has our government simply somehow regulated the prices for the necessary products? believe me, I know how many atb and at what price I bought a borscht set from wholesalers and for how much it is now being sold!
And believe me, there is absolutely no reason for me to worry now, I can go into deep quarantine with my family and not worry about either employees or acquaintances, etc.
It’s just that I’m really tired of feeling like a fool, or rather, watching how they make one out of you, and I’m tired of watching how, because of some kind of political games, masking them with a good goal, the people are once again forced to their knees and driven below the plinth.
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