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We want to go to Taba with our friends, but, unfortunately, we don't have enough money. Will a self-organized trip be cheaper? If so, how to implement it?
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9 subscribers  • asked 2011-09-2213 years ago
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аватар alex45
Independently impossible to Egypt, the monopoly of tour operators!
аватар Anetka-gan
and what do you pull in Taboo ??? with friends....
аватар aisha_sharm
from where do you want to get to Taba on your own and where? Settle in a hotel or on the shore of the bay in a tourist tent. And in the current situation, is it not scary?
аватар Lubovlo
Yes!!! independent travel.
First - promote air flights on the site http://www.flylowcost.ru/ - these are budget airlines of the world, the earlier you order the cheaper. You can book tickets directly on the airline's website.
Second - hotels http://www.booking.com - this is the site of all the hotels in the world, look, select the parameters and go))))) You can also book directly from the site.
If you are interested in writing, I will answer with pleasure!
аватар Anetka-gan
"promanitorte air flights" in TABOO ???))))))))))))))
burn ))))))))))))))
аватар tmvvelen
never an independent trip (as I understand it - buy tickets, rent a hotel, etc.) will not be cheaper than a tour package! more interesting, more informative, etc. BUT not cheaper
if only to go for a couple of months and rent an apartment - if 1-2 weeks - one hundred percent more expensive than tour packages
аватар sv2003
to any country in the world only on your own. except for Egypt and Turkey, alex45 wrote correctly. everything is about the flight. the tour operator redeems the charter and places in the hotel. sea ​​fish.
аватар Anetka-gan
I am an independent traveller. BUT Egypt alone is almost unreal =) especially from Ukraine. hello comrades)) THEN occupied the airspace =) only for a LONG period. BUT we have visas only for a month =)+1 month through El Tour.
Turkey - yes. can
аватар alex45
I wrote about Egypt, I organized a trip to Turkey on my own, cheaper than TA by 30% last year.
аватар HotLine
TO occupied Sharm, Taba and Hurghada.
Fly to Marsa Alam. Operators don't fly there.
аватар HotLine
to alex45. I was interested in your savings of 30%.
With flights and transfers, of course. Please tell us the hotel and the system through which you booked your stay.
аватар hatinka
Hotline, maybe a little off topic. I understand that you can compare in different ways and not everything is comparable. But, when we were going to these May holidays in Turkey (by the way, we were just going, we went to Germany as a result), we got very sweet prices for housing in Osmania. It is clear that this is not a season and not AI 5 *, but the cost of the entire trip, taking into account living / eating / rent a car + fuel / amenities, turned out to be much cheaper than that of a 3 * + excursions, possible with a TO (part of those planned to visit places are simply not offered MOT). These are apartments on the coast, a cheap rental car (diesel) and an air viseir.
I don’t dare to argue, since my trip was not realized, but Turkey can be made cheap on your own if the goal is not only a beach and accommodation on a reservation, but also active sightseeing.
And a friend of mine and her brother traveled half the country on buses and hitchhiked a little, and her verdict was that the country is cool, everyone is responsive, it’s not difficult to travel on a budget by public transport, and regular buses are an order of magnitude higher than those offered to TO tourists. Again, these are not my words, but those of an experienced traveler who has been greatly discouraged from the idea of ​​driving on her own in Turkey.
аватар Anetka-gan
we mainly ride in Turkey on local transport. just very convenient, budget, interchanges they thought out well. where it is not possible to reach - there will always be good citizens ready to help.
but there are still moments that the same visair flies only to Antalya. and sometimes it's easier to buy the cheapest tour to the most run-down hotel, just for the sake of the flight. and then ride everywhere.
Istanbul is not considered at all with the help of TO+TA!. There are NO charters, and thank God probably =) aerosuit dropped prices a little. already nice.
аватар Anetka-gan
and it's easier to book hotels. an incredible number of sites for booking. you can negotiate all the conditions and directly with the hotel.
HotLine you are TA. why do you need it?)))
аватар HotLine
I have never claimed anywhere that it is more expensive on its own.
What's more, I argue that it's cheaper on its own. But under certain circumstances. For example, a cheap flight is a must. And TO are not to blame for the fact that there are no cheap flights to Taba.
So that people do not confuse cause and effect, I suggested Marsa Alam. This example shows the absurdity of the TO's reproaches.
It would be interesting for me to see savings of 30% in Turkey.
All previous comparisons from my experience gave either no savings or a negligible amount. Again, under certain circumstances. For example, I can say with confidence that at least 90% of Turkish hotels package tours from TO are cheaper.
According to the tours described by you - apartments, city economy hotels, a large excursion program, etc. Such tours, by definition, are intended for independent tourism. It is right. TO does not even have such proposals. There is a review on an independent trip to Antalya, with a move to Bodrum. Great review, very interesting trip. But if TO offered such a tour to a tourist, they would not find understanding - trips around the city and to the beach by tram, buying tickets at bus stations, etc.
аватар HotLine
Why should I? Weird question.
But I will answer. To understand your business. What is it based on, what does it look like, what are the trends, what are the risks, how to rebuild your business in order to stay in the trends of market dynamics.
аватар HotLine
By the way. Those who think that they do without intermediaries when booking on bookings are mistaken. And fundamentally. Most booking systems have at least two intermediaries. There is no intermediary only when you book directly on the hotel website. But for some reason, none of the experienced tourists recommends this path as the first option.
For you, Anetka-gan, why do you write in this order - "an incredible number of sites for booking. You can negotiate all the conditions directly with the hotel"
аватар Anetka-gan
I write in this order. this is how I write and my sentence is formed =) do you want to find a psychological connotation in this?)))
аватар hatinka
I just first look at bookings, ask the price. Then I look at the AccorHotels network - they often can get excellent rooms cheaply by early booking. Then I look at apartments in the private sector or apartments - they are also different in quality. Then I choose what is best from what is available.
And intermediaries don't worry me too much. If the owner of the hotel gives a price higher than the intermediary, then I will not refuse the services of an intermediary. The only question here is the reputation of such an intermediary.
Booking intermediary, not always the most profitable, but very reliable ;-)
аватар alex45
Notline! I am answering your question, although I have repeatedly written about savings, but for some reason this question did not interest you before. there is a ticket to the hotel I am interested in, and then I am engaged in the selection of a trip on my own. TA offered me 7 days - 1500 greenbacks. I organized a vacation for myself with my wife for 900 with a little dollars (round-trip flight with Wizzair, transfer to the hotel, and of course hotel accommodation) I booked not in booking, there are other options, more reliable I won’t advertise here, it’s forbidden. I can only say that this year I also ordered hotels in Venice through them, unlike booking, their reservations are recognized at consulates even without confirmation of payment, which is important. And in Egypt I remain of my opinion, if I don’t need Marsa Alam, then you can’t slip into the resorts of Egypt without MOT, they thought it was expensive through Europe.
аватар alex45
Yes, I forgot to write that this is not an early booking, but it’s not burning either, in Sailors, in fact, something rarely burns. There is a report about this trip in Turpravda, you can read it. This year I made for myself a comparative table of early bookings in Antalya - one of the TOs and through Booking (let's call it that) - cheaper by 15-20%. And they often give prices cheaper than the hotel itself, and there are more than 350,000 hotels around the world on their website. This is the answer - why we work often through booking systems. All options are being studied, including through TO.
аватар alex45
And of course, we consider everything, and if it’s more profitable through TO, why not. And here’s an interesting fact. Because I got hooked on cruises. A cruise from Venice to Istanbul and back is two times cheaper than a similar one, but with a call to Odessa and Yalta. What, cool cities and country?! I don’t think! Well, 300 dollars, but not twice! How !!!
аватар alex45
to helena! What you offer is individual routes and not a single MOT will do it. This year we laid a low-cost route to Paris, from there by train to Nice for the carnival, then by train through Milan to the Venice Carnival and a flight to Ukraine with Wizzair. Interesting it turned out and inexpensively. I watched the analogue at TO - only Nice, get there yourself or we will help, but by regular plane. That's it! The price is at the level of our price, but for one carnival. And Accord had a bus route for carnivals, in Venice -6 hours, in my opinion.
аватар HotLine
For alex45.
1. I see that someone downvoted some of your answers. I officially declare that this is not me. Despite the fact that we often argue with you.
2. I am glad that you write phrases like "these are individual routes and not a single MOT will do this." Because once you offered me to raise tours to Sardinia (or Sicily) for your 1000 euros.
3. Do not write - "TA offered me 7 days - 1500 greens." You never know what TA offered you. Are you an experienced traveler? It is necessary to write like this - the minimum price for the tour was so much for such and such an operator.
4. The fact that bookings and TOs often give prices cheaper than the hotels themselves is normal. Otherwise, these bookings and maintenance would not exist.
5. As far as I know, the admin of the turpravda rubs links only to competitive resources. Bookings are not such for the truth. Write us the name of the booking system through which you booked Sailors Beach. First, I wonder who gives good prices. Secondly, I wanted to make a price calculation.
аватар HotLine
6. It's actually an open secret. Good prices can only be given by a good seller. A good seller is a well-known seller. Therefore, this booking is known to many. And 350,000 hotels in the price database is normal. Name this booking and we will calculate. It's interesting.
7. By the way, I think anyone understands that no site can work directly with 350,000 hotels. Therefore, I repeat my thesis - in fact, such booking systems also include at least two intermediaries.
аватар Anetka-gan
"in fact, such booking systems also include a minimum of two intermediaries." only the most stupid tourist does not understand this =) it's logical
аватар HotLine
And the smart one writes "there are NO charters and thank God probably =)"
"TO occupied the airspace =)"
"You are TA. Why do you need it?)))"
Believe me, many independent tourists simply have some kind of phobia for intermediaries in tourism. How many times already argued here on these topics.
аватар alex45
to Hotline!1. I have already written more than once that I am completely indifferent to the "pluses and minuses". I don’t play them, the main thing for me is whether the question is interesting or not. 2. I hope that you do not consider me for the last fool and the principles of doing business are familiar to me firsthand. Therefore, the principles of operation of TO are clear to me and naturally you will agree with my words. In this case. 3. I am writing this way because the “passed” tourist goes to the TA and they tell him these prices there, the tourist does not go to the TO and this is impossible, although I cannot understand here, you think that I am lying when I quote these prices . 4. Here you yourself give the answer to your question asked earlier, why we do not work directly with the hotel. 5. Anetka has already written to you that there are many booking systems, for you this is an open secret. I can say that yes, this is a well-known seller, so it will not be difficult for you to find it. Search and consider, I will not answer this question, I will only say that yesterday I received offers from the TUI - ski Andorra from 500 euros, about 400 euros come out through this system. 7. It doesn't matter to me how many intermediaries this booking has, the main thing is that it costs me less. If TO is cheaper and I am satisfied with their offer, why not.
аватар alex45
And because of the phobia of intermediaries. This is not only here, but in all trade, in any business, to reduce the number of intermediate links, this is not always possible, but desirable. You may not agree with me, but this is so. And this is not the opinion of a retired pensioner , I know firsthand.
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