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I want to send a note, can I pay for it, so it will reach the wailing wall?
I want to send a note, can I pay for it, so it will reach the wailing wall?
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аватар Alex_classic
You don't have to pay for this, it's not right to pay for THIS!
Write a note, roll it up (the smaller the note and the tighter it is folded, the more likely it is to put it in the cracks between the stones of the Wailing Wall), seal it with a piece of adhesive tape.
Then send it to our Moscow or St. Petersburg offices of the tour operator "Classic Travel" (and if possible, it's better to bring it in person - so that the letter does not get lost along the way). A note will either be enclosed by one of our employees, or we will ask tourists. In any case, everything is solved!
аватар poddub2008
Hello.
I think it's wrong to send a note.
It's very personal.
It is better to pray to God and in what you want
He will definitely help.
аватар orbittours.ru
Many ask someone to send a note, because they themselves can not go. If you are sure that this will help, find any person who plans to visit Israel, or who is going on a tour from Egypt, and hand over the note with him. No one has yet refused to deliver the note. You can contact any travel agency in your city with a request. Or, on the Internet, find people who are traveling. Thank God our people are responsive.
аватар Pachok
Am I missing something, or is there an instruction in the Christian Books to "Write letters"?
аватар orhideya21
This is for sure, and according to Jewish custom, to be heard :)
аватар orhideya21
Although, we do not know the religion of the author.
аватар mishatour
Dear Pachok, there are no such indications in Jewish books either.) But if you read Christian holy books (Luke, ch 2, 41-52), you will understand that this place is not only a holy place for the Jews ... That is why Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI invested their notes in the Wailing Wall. The tradition of writing notes dates back to the 17th-18th century, it is known that a trip to the Holy Land was fraught with danger and other problems. Therefore, people who could not afford to come here and pray at the Wailing Wall passed their notes along with those who were traveling to the Holy Land.
аватар Pachok
You can pray at home, it is not necessary to go somewhere - the result is the same. Either you believe or you don't. Nowhere is there an instruction to worship stones, images, or write letters to the creator.
аватар kolyan_cat
Probably, it is meant that the Almighty is deaf, and if you pray in another place, he may not hear))) Or it is more convenient for Him when everyone prays from one place - "there are many of you, but I am one!" :)
аватар miladka
you can immediately see who was at the Wailing Wall, who was not. irony is not at all appropriate here. just visit there once and you will understand everything.
аватар poddub2008
I was there, everything is stately in the Old City and Bethlehem, Nazareth, but unfortunately
the locals transferred everything to a banal flea market, which at one time dispersed
our Savior.
аватар miladka
trade confused me when I first got there. was with a relative in Israel. living, therefore, did not depend on the time and the guide. what shocked herself most of all was what she managed to buy in the underground soap market and so on. Dead Sea, leather bags. the shift in consciousness was from the fact that when you watch the descent of fire on TV, the video camera clings to the plot pointwise, the trade remains behind the scenes. and then everything in full fell on the unprepared psyche. and tears of cleansing at the Wall, and purchases, and a queue at the kuvukl ... my brother on the way home was very surprised that instead of impressions, I gulped like water in my mouth. and I still digested everything for a long time and understood myself. the next year we went from Egypt one day to Jerusalem. and everything fell into place there. now the soul does not even ask, demands and rushes there again.
аватар orbittours.ru
Everyone is looking for their own way to God. Someone has a prayer at home. And someone thinks that a note will help more. Everything has the right to life. After all, we ask God. What difference does it make in what way.
аватар mishatour
It seems to me that we are confusing the terms prayer and pilgrimage ... Pilgrimage is made to visit holy places, for Jews and Christians it is Jerusalem, for Muslims Mek ... And everyone who believes or simply observes traditions at least once in his life tries to visit these places. Not everyone can afford it, and therefore pilgrims take notes to the Wailing Wall and candles lit by the Holy Fire ... This is the pilgrimage ... look, touch and help those who stayed at home do it ... And you can pray everywhere, in There won't be room for everyone in Jerusalem
аватар mishatour
P.S It's very nice that the Israeli branch has revived!
аватар Pachok
miladka, I have not yet been to Israel, but I have been to many other places that are considered "saints" by people of different religions. Nothing moved anywhere. Again, either you believe or you don't. And if you believe, and even very impressionable (well, there, "tears of purification"), then ... yes, it makes sense to go somewhere specially and send notes. All people have fun in different ways. And this is very good for the owners of attractions.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Guys let's be friends. We all have freedom of choice of religion. And everyone has their own opinion, which is the place to be.
I consider myself an atheist, but I respect people who sincerely believe in God, and not because it is fashionable and "what would count." And which of us is right .... we will never know .....
аватар mishatour
Those who believe that religion, history, archeology .... this is an attraction ... It is better to refrain from traveling to Israel, and spend your money in Cyprus, Egypt and Turkey .... cheaper and more attractions.
аватар miladka
Interestingly, the author of the question about the note has already decided on the option of its transfer? maybe it's time to close the topic, otherwise God knows what we will agree on here?
аватар kolyan_cat
The question is not about faith in God, but about the pagan habits of people and the commercial attractions that parasitize on them. No one argues about faith, but to believe that a prayer from under the Wall is more important to the Almighty than a sincere request in front of an icon of a house - well, it’s not very smart, as it were, and contradicts the essence of Christianity.
аватар Pachok
And without the icon too.
mishatour, why all in one heap? Of the things you listed, only religion is an attraction. Very high quality, well-promoted, bringing huge profits for many hundreds of years.
All marketers should learn how to create and sell a product.
аватар Alex_classic
I think it's worth opening a forum thread for such an active discussion. After all, the purpose of communication here is to answer the question. And it has been answered. specific.
аватар Slav1
Hello, now there are services thanks to which you can send a prayer for free, it will be placed in the Wailing Wall.
I was there a year ago. I didn't write a prayer. Because the surviving wall was built by Herod (yes, the same one).
If you are near the Wailing Wall. Not the fact that you will find a place where you can shove it.
Here is my photo of one of the fragments of the wall
http://www.turpravda.ua/action/tochki.php?mode=rating#listphotos& photo=503613
On the left (in the women's part) there is a basement trash can where they go. Some pull out other people's prayers to shove their own. Some of them are glued or nailed with carnations so that they lie longer.
аватар mishatour
Slav1, have you seen it all with your own eyes? Garbage bin and nails driven into stone? I go there quite often, but I have never seen anything like it. It is a pity that you could not shoot a note nailed to carnations)
аватар Pachok
Don't look carefully. There is a nail in the photo shown.
аватар mishatour
Yes, there really is a nail (just yesterday the photo did not open on smart). But no one knows the history of its origin and everyone can understand it to the best of their ability ... In any case, it’s hard for me to imagine a woman with a hammer near the Wailing Wall, there are many other more benign versions .... According to Jewish law, prayer notes cannot be thrown away. Twice a year, the notes left in the Wall are collected and buried in the Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives. Maybe the trash bin mentioned above is NIT? In any case, the author saw what he wanted to see ... I think the visit was independent, without a guide.
аватар Slav1
mishatour, of course, without a guide, the guide would not have shown this IHMO)
And the trash can in the corner of the wall on the right, in the women's part, that's why they didn't see it, ask the tourists.
Somewhere there is even a photo of the trash can - just look for scrap.
There is such a stream of people with their own notes - what to do with them?
Regarding the carnation (he is not alone there), everyone wants his prayer to be there longer.
аватар Slav1
And this is not GENIZA, because I don’t think that the notes can contain the very NAME that the Jews try to avoid consuming.
After all, it was replaced even in the Torah by tirules.
On-the-go to avoid problems with the disposal of texts.
аватар mishatour
Commenting on the Torah is the prerogative of the sages! And we just have to study all this. Why don't you love Herod so much? He wasn't even Jewish, was he?
аватар Pachok
Exactly, a commercial attraction :) You have to PAY the guide so that he CORRECTly leads to the wall :)
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