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Will they let me out of the country?
I was an Israeli citizen and lived there for 8 years, at some point I took a phone from the Orange company on credit, paid it off for about 4 months out of 36, and it so happened that I left for Ukraine, where I regained citizenship, received passports, got married and changed her last name. Now, 3 years after I left, I have to go to a seminar in Jerusalem (work related) and I'm afraid that they won't let me out of Israel because of my unpaid phone loan. They tell me that since I changed my last name when I got married, they won’t check me out at the border, but it’s still very scary. Tell me, can I go there?
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when issuing a passport, an individual number is given, which does not change even when changing the surname. I don’t know if your personal number remained in the Israeli database (I don’t know what kind of passports they issue), according to which, in fact, they can figure you out. How long has it been since the loan was taken? maybe you have already been "forgiven" for the prescription.
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answered 11 years ago
3 years have passed. My passport is Ukrainian and foreign and internal, in the internal, when changing the surname, they changed the passport number
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answered 11 years ago
I have not yet traveled there with these passports and have not "shone" with them
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answered 11 years ago
an acquaintance messed up with the Finnish Schengen, then returned to Ukraine, changed her first and last name and passports and went back to Finland using them.
it's like a life story
it's like a life story
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answered 11 years ago
The passport number changes, but the individual number does not. If you opened an Israeli passport without this number, then you will not be calculated, if this number is in the database, then who knows...........
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answered 11 years ago
So where does the individual number "shine" if the passport is Ukrainian?
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answered 11 years ago
I had an Israeli passport opened when I still had no Ukrainian documents (except for a birth certificate). all documents are Ukrainian new, never used in Israel when crossing the border. Yes, and the passport is Ukrainian, not Israeli, I’ll go to the corridor for foreigners there at the airport
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answered 11 years ago
1. A photo is scanned during passport control. These scans are compared or simply stored unknown to ordinary citizens.
2. You are an Israeli citizen today, as I understand it. Dual citizenship is prohibited in Ukraine altogether.
3. You left Israel, as I understand it, also not the rules. And it's not just about phone loans.
If I am right in paragraphs 2 and 3, then you are violating the migration rules of 2 countries. Nevertheless, you are going to a conference in Jerusalem. There is, of course, something to be afraid of.
2. You are an Israeli citizen today, as I understand it. Dual citizenship is prohibited in Ukraine altogether.
3. You left Israel, as I understand it, also not the rules. And it's not just about phone loans.
If I am right in paragraphs 2 and 3, then you are violating the migration rules of 2 countries. Nevertheless, you are going to a conference in Jerusalem. There is, of course, something to be afraid of.
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answered 11 years ago
3. Why? Are there any specific exit rules for citizens?
2. In Ukraine it is forbidden, but in Israel it is allowed.
In general, as I understand it, there are passports for different surnames that are completely independent of each other, and they are both valid and do not intersect with each other in any way ... The question remains with photographs. Israelis don't take fingerprints while crossing the border, do they?
2. In Ukraine it is forbidden, but in Israel it is allowed.
In general, as I understand it, there are passports for different surnames that are completely independent of each other, and they are both valid and do not intersect with each other in any way ... The question remains with photographs. Israelis don't take fingerprints while crossing the border, do they?
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answered 11 years ago
And I'm thinking, what does it have to do with how I crossed the border? I bought a ticket, as I crossed everything. All passports in Ukraine are legal, I have no Israeli documents....
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answered 11 years ago
"It so happened" (c).
You are a thief and a swindler.
Stay at home and do not disgrace my neighboring country.
You are a thief and a swindler.
Stay at home and do not disgrace my neighboring country.
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answered 11 years ago
Have you tried to repay the loan? Call, write a letter to the bank, explain the situation. They will understand and always help to resolve the issue. Or is the toad strangling, is it a pity for money?
At our border, for debts, by a court decision and orders of a bailiff, they are removed from a train or plane. So it's better not to play with fire, otherwise you will also go to jail for fraud.
At our border, for debts, by a court decision and orders of a bailiff, they are removed from a train or plane. So it's better not to play with fire, otherwise you will also go to jail for fraud.
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answered 11 years ago
What documents were used to issue you a Ukrainian passport? not on an Israeli passport?
Boba45 gave you the wisest advice, try to pay off the loan.
Boba45 gave you the wisest advice, try to pay off the loan.
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answered 11 years ago
Many posts and almost all, unfortunately, off topic ... The question is extremely specific - slow down or not slow down. And the answer is specific - DO NOT BRAKES. At 99.9% they will not slow down.
Formally, you, ekviarill, must enter the country of which you are a citizen, using the passport of this country. And it doesn't matter if it's Israel or Ukraine. According to the correct one, you must leave Ukraine with a Ukrainian passport, and enter with an Israeli one. Then leave Israel using a darkon (Israel passport), and enter Ukraine using a Ukrainian one.
But if you decide to use your new Ukrainian passport, then this is NOT CRIMINAL. My friend, who left for the United States in 1999, entered and left Israel several times using his American passport. Despite the rarest surname, which he did not change in America, he was not slowed down. And then they suddenly slowed down, but they let them in anyway - they just said ay-yai-yai :) And he didn’t joke anymore - he left America on the American one and entered on the darkon ...
So, ekviarill, decide as you like and don't be afraid of anything!
Formally, you, ekviarill, must enter the country of which you are a citizen, using the passport of this country. And it doesn't matter if it's Israel or Ukraine. According to the correct one, you must leave Ukraine with a Ukrainian passport, and enter with an Israeli one. Then leave Israel using a darkon (Israel passport), and enter Ukraine using a Ukrainian one.
But if you decide to use your new Ukrainian passport, then this is NOT CRIMINAL. My friend, who left for the United States in 1999, entered and left Israel several times using his American passport. Despite the rarest surname, which he did not change in America, he was not slowed down. And then they suddenly slowed down, but they let them in anyway - they just said ay-yai-yai :) And he didn’t joke anymore - he left America on the American one and entered on the darkon ...
So, ekviarill, decide as you like and don't be afraid of anything!
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answered 11 years ago
“My colleague from the St. Petersburg office of Classic Travel stated everything correctly. On my own behalf, I can only advise you to call +972-2-5659464 even now and clarify whether you have a travel ban. So do many Israelis who suspect that there may be problems. And there is no need to explain anything to the person who answered the call - just dictate the number of the identity card - your teudat zeut. Such calls are treated normally, no one sees any crime in the desire to find out information. So call and you will be 100% calm. Personally, I think that there should be no problems for anyone. In order to block an Israeli from leaving the country, you must pay a state duty and sue him. And after the court is won, it is necessary to pay the state duty again and transfer the case to bailiffs (abbreviated as OCLAP). And only after that apply for restriction of travel abroad. Then there will be a trial again, and if the judge allows, then the exit will be blocked for a certain period ... It's hard to believe that a cellular communication company will drive its lawyers to the courts and waste their precious time writing for the sake of small things!
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answered 11 years ago
Thank you Elena and Alex for the detailed and informative response!
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answered 11 years ago
Dual citizenship is not allowed in Ukraine. It is in Russia that you can have 2 passports, but not in Ukraine. And if during the inspection the border guards in Ukraine find a second passport, then it will definitely be a crime ... So, the loan will have to be returned. :))
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answered 11 years ago
Dear boba45, why are you so worried about the creditor? Or do you have a motive that you give such "wise" advice like "Call, write a letter to the bank, explain the situation." Who to call? Who will understand?
For three years, this issue was either closed and forgotten (i.e., the debt was written off), or the case was transferred to a law office and it is gathering dust there ...
And the horror story about the prison is generally nonsense! Complete nonsense! Non-payment of one loan IN ANY CIVILIZED country is not considered "fraud"!
For three years, this issue was either closed and forgotten (i.e., the debt was written off), or the case was transferred to a law office and it is gathering dust there ...
And the horror story about the prison is generally nonsense! Complete nonsense! Non-payment of one loan IN ANY CIVILIZED country is not considered "fraud"!
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answered 11 years ago
Yeah, right now ... "the issue was forgotten and closed" ... Creditors will remember this issue at the most inopportune moment for you and will hurt you very, very much. Don't think that there are suckers sitting in banks and writing off everyone's debts. For a long time, the database of the local collection company has both the address and the new name of the defaulter on the loan, and he is eagerly awaited at customs. And there already how lucky. They may not be imprisoned .... for a long time. But they will delay until you pay off the debt - this is 100%.
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answered 11 years ago
And again you, boba45, are clever! This is not a forum to discuss the behavior of creditors. The man asked a question - he was answered. If you want to know what it's like to be a lender in Israel - write in a personal. About how it is often more profitable to forget about debt, I know from personal experience. I was doing business in Israel and often followed the advice of my lawyer not to waste money and time on small things ... I also know about how collectors work in Israel (more precisely, they don’t work).
Your, boba45, fantasies about "the address and the new name of the defaulter on the loan" are nonsense. Complete nonsense! Seen enough spy movies, I guess...
Your, boba45, fantasies about "the address and the new name of the defaulter on the loan" are nonsense. Complete nonsense! Seen enough spy movies, I guess...
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answered 11 years ago
Only God can guarantee 100%.
And you, boba45, should go to the forest and croak there!
One can only be glad for ekviarill - she lived for 8 years in a wonderful country, got married, got a decent job (they don't send them to seminars in Jerusalem for an unworthy one). Everything will be fine with her - she will call the "bikoret gvulot" (border service information desk), find out that she is not on the "black list" and calmly continue to live and rejoice!
And you, boba45, should go to the forest and croak there!
One can only be glad for ekviarill - she lived for 8 years in a wonderful country, got married, got a decent job (they don't send them to seminars in Jerusalem for an unworthy one). Everything will be fine with her - she will call the "bikoret gvulot" (border service information desk), find out that she is not on the "black list" and calmly continue to live and rejoice!
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answered 11 years ago
Thank you Alex! Few people now give practical advice, do not condemn and support!
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answered 11 years ago
Good day, the question is about the same, I have not been in the country for 7 years, I want to enter the country only with a Ukrainian passport (although there is a darkon) for a week, will they check me out at the border, and if so, will they let me out of the country later on reason for non-payment in bituah leumi
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answered 11 years ago
And then we wonder why they didn’t let me into Israel. Do not make the gentlemen of the forum a gangster gathering, respect yourself and the country in which you live.
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answered 10 years ago
1. The entry of an Israeli citizen into the country on the passport of another state is not a crime. Although a violation of the rules ... My friend, who has been living in the States since 1999, entered several times on an American passport. Everything was fine, but once he pierced and he was stamped at the entrance to enter as an Israeli. Thus, subsequent entries on the same passport were no longer feasible ...
2. It is more important not which one you entered, but which one you left. Theoretically, an Israeli citizen can enter without a passport at all. I have seen more than once how the Consulate in Moscow issued certificates for Israeli citizens to enter the country.
3. Now they don’t put stamps in the salary of tourists, so if they give a piece of paper, then everything is ok. But it’s worth taking a darkon for any trip.
4. As for debts in Israel, these issues are being resolved. It is especially easy when the amounts are small... Either debts are written off after a couple of years (private companies), or they hang "dead weight" (government agencies). For peace of mind, you can call tel. border guards (“bikoret gvulet”) and ask if there is a ban on leaving (“ikuv etsiya”). This call does not cost money (only payment for 2-3 minutes of conversation) and there are no consequences for the caller.
2. It is more important not which one you entered, but which one you left. Theoretically, an Israeli citizen can enter without a passport at all. I have seen more than once how the Consulate in Moscow issued certificates for Israeli citizens to enter the country.
3. Now they don’t put stamps in the salary of tourists, so if they give a piece of paper, then everything is ok. But it’s worth taking a darkon for any trip.
4. As for debts in Israel, these issues are being resolved. It is especially easy when the amounts are small... Either debts are written off after a couple of years (private companies), or they hang "dead weight" (government agencies). For peace of mind, you can call tel. border guards (“bikoret gvulet”) and ask if there is a ban on leaving (“ikuv etsiya”). This call does not cost money (only payment for 2-3 minutes of conversation) and there are no consequences for the caller.
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answered 10 years ago
A question. Ukraine, there is a court decision on debts. I closed the debts, but my case was lost, as it was sent several times between the two cities, the restoration of the case takes about 2 months. We urgently need to fly to Israel. The bailiff, and we have developed a good relationship, recommends getting a new passport with a new number and flying calmly. It's true? By what parameters is the passport checked? Maybe my TIN is encoded there and they can break through? Very worried
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answered 8 years ago