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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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аватар Vika284
What measures and quarantine everyone is talking about, there is no quarantine if you judge by Kiev and the nearest villages and towns, there is just a restriction
The huge shopping centers Epicenter and New Line are open and there are a lot of people, both shopping and just idly wandering around the shopping centers
All civil servants of non-critical industries go to work and they have transport passes, for example, the Ministry of Culture all go to work, receive regular salaries + bonuses + wellness - we have a lot of cultural events now or they will start en masse immediately after quarantine. A much-needed body of the NAZK that checks the declarations of officials is all in full force, it is not clear what they are doing now if the declaration company was transferred. I went to the tax office, and there everything was in full force, this did not happen even on the days of receiving annual reports
We are talking about the spread of the virus among believers, but in this million-strong army of officials who are now unnecessary, there is also a huge% who have rested and returned from abroad and are carrying this virus.
аватар Vika284
That in Kyiv it is difficult to leave the house for a walk. There are no walking people or families with children in the squares near the houses. And most parents with children without masks or with a mask that protects the chin or neck. Children do not play on playgrounds, they play near playgrounds.
And whoever has a car is even easier to travel outside of Kyiv and fry kebabs.
That now in the Kiev region or other regions of Ukraine they do not massively plant potatoes. And if they sit down, then everyone is masked and at a distance of 2 meters from each other
Probably exactly the same restrictions were in Italy and Chinese Wuhan.
аватар Vika284
I will add about the opening of pawnshops that are very necessary now, and also almost all beauty salons in Kyiv that work in a quiet place, if you are a regular client, then there will be no problems getting to any master of any of the procedures. And the girls, manicure homeworkers, hairdressers, masseurs, how they worked and continue to work.
Those who do not have a car and need to leave Kyiv, there are also minibuses between cities, which seem to be banned.
аватар Slav_na
the KPI park is full, all the shops are occupied
аватар camomille
In the Chernivtsi region, all grocery stores and gas stations will be closed.
A strict quarantine is introduced for the weekend. This was stated by the head of the Chernivtsi Regional State Administration. Gasoline will be dispensed at gas stations only to public services.
The special regime will last from April 11 from 13:00 to April 13 at 6:00.
аватар ollennka
I don’t know about Kyiv, I can only talk about Russia, here the shopping centers have been closed for two weeks.
Beauty salons are closed, you have to visit homeworkers (hairdressers and manicurists), and at home there is definitely a higher chance of catching some kind of infection, in the salon at least with you all the tools are taken out of the sterilizer or sealed bags, and the masters are always in masks and gloves, and not only during a virus outbreak.
аватар klichko
We have a dacha near Kiev in the village. Minibuses and buses ran constantly, and with the beginning of quarantine, no one carries. Half of the village are Kievans, they go to work, some have moved only right now, like us. Previously empty outskirts with a bunch of "truants". We walk 5-7 km daily on different routes. Quads and motorcycles rush across all fields. There are a lot of fishermen on the lakes. The number of cyclists has increased dramatically. The demographics here have exploded. Everything will change like never before. We greet and communicate at a distance. There are no gatherings or drinking. Masks only in the local general store. Gardens are practically not cultivated (?) And the people of Kiev do not plant potatoes, except perhaps a trifle for the table. We don't have patients!
The city is relaxed, but there is still a sense. In supermarkets, construction sites, social distancing is observed. It was still not enough to cover them, completely on guard. And with pawnshops, outright looting. You can scold the authorities for a long time, but it’s useless, and it’s a pity for neYvs. We are waiting for warming, all hope is for May-sorcerer
аватар mishatour
The Aeroflot website does not allow you to issue a refund for tickets: neither voluntary nor involuntary. The company has not yet commented on the situation.
What was said above .... who did not have time, he was late.
аватар prosto2000
I just gave a link to the opinion of a virologist.
You have to listen carefully and try to understand. I can only focus on the fact that a virologist is a specialist who does not treat, but studies and develops vaccines and methods.
Unlike an infectious disease specialist who uses developed methods and medicines.
Someone designs airplanes, and someone then flies on them.
klichko - but what you write is just fairy tales. "Doses", "swallows". Nonsense. The virologist explained everything - everyone will have contact.
mishatour, "drive a blizzard" - there is such a phraseological unit. "disperse the blizzard" - no.
300, 5000 or something else - this is just a matter of methods, i.e. virologists. I just wrote that with 300 confirmed cases of influenza, even schools are not closed.
Pachok - I didn't write anything about denial. On the contrary, I agree with the opinion that everyone will get sick. And in general, a complete ass - the virologist said that this virus mutates every 4 days. So now we have to live with him forever. Like with the flu. You can just live differently.
аватар prosto2000
If someone wants to dive into the assessment of the aircraft by the pilot - listen to the opinion of the infectious disease specialist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYiINUMSGh8
аватар klichko
"Doses", "swallows". Nonsense. The virologist explained everything - everyone will have contact.
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Nonsense looking for a diamond in a pile of dung. And yes, contact and dosage are not antonyms
Correctly noted here, a delay in development-understanding ... still denial and aggression. Dilute the theoretical virologist with the practical epidemiologist in the thick of things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W7coUHFumw
аватар moy_contakt
I found a very interesting article about the approximate dates for Europe to fly abroad. I kind of assumed that. https://www.atorus.ru/news/press-centre/new/51162.html?utm_referrer= https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
аватар mishatour
Who writes this article??? I am the first who wants to agree with them .. but .... What are your assumptions about??
аватар moy_contakt
This is a hodgepodge (as I understand it) from all the official statements-reasonings of persons from different countries. I am also inclined to believe that autumn is the most realistic time for the opening of at least some kind of borders in such a situation, and not earlier. The same Spain - well, it will not make sense for them to open tourism in the fall, they will wait (friends live there and convey to me the general mood, based on their situation). Italy, they are in a hurry and declare a possible opening by August, July is under question (there is a close friend of a physician). My sister is a doctor in Berlin and the Germans want to serve me until everything 100% calms down, like Austria (my daughter and her husband studied there, but they were evacuated by the husband’s family when all this crap started in Tashkent, they are quarantined there), for the first time my daughter told me that she was glad that now she is in Tashkent, because they definitely won’t let her die there, unlike Ukraine. I understand that panic has caught up everywhere ....
аватар klichko
I spoke with my sister from Moscow. Yesterday my nephew was taken to the infectious diseases hospital. He was searched for days in all hospitals. I was sick for 2 weeks, the ambulance came only to extend the sick leave, they didn’t take any tests, they wrote out nonsense. Yesterday they told me to do an x-ray. I barely crawled to the clinic (on my own, without a mask!), I was immediately taken to the infectious disease, 2-way pneumonia. They do not accept parcels, the bodies have been taken away, wait for the result of the tests for 5 days. Medical staff signs non-disclosure. All the doctors were moved to different hospitals so that there would be no godfather. The sister is going crazy, the nephew is in intensive care, not a word about the state, they hang up. He says we have the Gestapo
In Kyiv, a friend and her husband toil for several days with acute conjunctivitis. Temps, no cough. I say, do not joke, one of the signs. They called the hotline, an ambulance immediately arrived, they took tests. The doctor inquires about well-being. She said which medicines to order for everyone, call at any time. They are pleasantly surprised. This is by the way that everything is bad with us, and the virus is bullshit
аватар Vika284
Of course not bullshit and other diseases are not bullshit
Of the 56.9 million deaths worldwide in 2016, there were:
Ischemic heart disease and stroke are the biggest killers of all, with a total of 15.2 million in 2016
3.0 million people died from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in 2016
Diabetes killed 1.6 million in 2016
Lower respiratory tract infections remain the deadliest infectious disease, causing 3.0 million deaths globally in 2016
From tuberculosis 1.3 million
HIV/AIDS 1 million
5.6 million children under 5 died in 2016, that's 15,000 per day
аватар klichko
From all these diseases do not die in 2 days. A heart attack and stroke can and should be controlled. Pneumonia in Africa and Europe are two big differences (like any other disease) But with covid, severe pneumonia is not the result of complications, but a manifestation of the disease
I don’t remember that the dead from tuberculosis were loaded into refrigerators, as in New York, or hundreds of diabetics were buried, as in Milan
Chickens are counted in the fall ... it is not clear which one. I don't want to break records, but this is only the beginning.
аватар mishatour
oy_contakt, forget about tourism... As long as there is a hearth in at least one country in the world (and it will be for a long time) Not one civilized country will open its borders. The world is "tumbling" and until there is a vaccine ... tourism cannot be revived. Israel today has passed the peak (as experts say) of about 100 deaths, mostly 75+. BUT!!! everyone is in quarantine. They will gradually start production .... in parts and look at the statistics .. If it’s a reverse move. I understand that not everyone shares my pessimistic views, they are still clear ... residents of Europe, New York, Moscow .... And everyone else thinks that it is somewhere out there .... If people still ask about restaurants in Sharm and yachts in Turkey .... it means that not everyone and everyone is so bad YET.
аватар moy_contakt
mishatour, you noticed that I didn’t just write to you about the doctor’s sister, the doctor’s girlfriend .... there are also biologists (close friends) and an epidemiologist (we are friends with families) ... infa is not from the media, but the real picture. Tourism and everything else - a lot of politics, panic, actions without understanding the real methods (maybe they listen to anyone and look at the rest ... by the principle everyone ran and I ran, alas, today this is already the case) and someone under the guise of everything solves its specific cases ... No one denies that yes, this garbage kills, but what they do does not contribute to stopping the sore in any way, but it ruins the economy specifically. Each country has its own reasons why it happened this way, because medicine is really arranged differently everywhere and, for example, in the USA medicine is only for those who can pay, and there are really a bunch of illegal immigrants and everyone started to get sick and you need to treat like everyone, but they can’t decide at whose expense, but they definitely don’t want to for free ... And so I can go through each country briefly. We have our own trouble-reform, devastation, and so on.
аватар Vika284
From a heart attack and stroke, you can in a few seconds, a person may not even be aware of the danger
аватар klichko
Tatysho! And the brick head will fall. Doctors should suspect, and problems with the heart and blood vessels have long been not Newton's binomial. But dying instantly is better than dying by suffocation. They forgot to mention the death rate in road accidents and complain about how everything is running in the country
We are growing, we have moved to the stage of bargaining
аватар mishatour
Gentlemen .... my advice to you is to avoid crowded places. If possible, stay at home ... This is unfortunately the only way to fight the virus today. I will talk about the country in which I live and understand what is happening in this country. Since mid-March, the number of infected people has doubled every third day ..... At the beginning of April, strict quarantine is introduced .. police, army ... fines ... The results of these measures bear fruit only after 14 .. days .... And today the curve has gone down sharply ... During these 14, no one gets infected (almost) and all infected are detected and isolated. I don’t know what will happen next ... but without a vaccine, the world will be hard. Quarantine cannot be eternal ... but it must be ubiquitous and strictly enforced ... there is no other cure TODAY.
аватар camomille
we had a lot of idiots in churches all over the country today
despite the fact that already in the Lavra the pestilence of monks from the coronavirus began
аватар Slav_na
...and they said that McCloud was infertile...
аватар klichko
Lavra Ukrainian laws are not written. There has long been a hotbed of covid. In Moscow, for a long time they mocked the world hysteria from the usual SARS. Late realized, It seems that another New York is brewing there. Google Moscow, the line of ambulances. But they only carry the heavy ones. A sharp rise in just a couple of days ...
The sister does not say anything about her son. He is afraid that if he dies, they will not let him bury him. She herself is also sick, but thank you, she immediately took antibiotics
аватар camomille
apparently by Easter we are waiting for another jump
Why isn't this officially closed? Evil is not enough...
https://twitter.com/evhen_n/status/1249595685772591104
аватар mishatour
Unfortunately, holy places are becoming the epicenter of a biological explosion. Many people think that it is not the vaccine that will save them, but the one they believe in. The government, together with spiritual leaders, must make a decision and bring it to the attention of the parishioners ... In simple language .... "Trust in God, but don't make a mistake yourself"
аватар camomille
Well, it seems that the OCU will hold Easter services behind closed doors. At least Bartholomew addressed the churches with such a request. Is it possible to come to an agreement with the Russian Orthodox Church, given who they serve and what they achieve in Ukraine...
In this regard, the Montenegrins are great, who after the service detained the metropolitan.
аватар camomille
klichko
I wish your nephew and sister a speedy recovery. Let everythnig will be alright.
I also worry about my relatives in Moscow very much.
аватар Olgaolga153
camomille
"Well, it seems that the OCU will hold Easter services behind closed doors."
The ROC also came to this decision, but there are enough fanatics in any religion (see above about the Orthodox in Israel). And if there are violations, then be sure that this will affect not only the ROC.
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