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I want to send my parents to Croatia or Montenegro in early October.
I want to send my parents (60 years old) to Croatia or Montenegro for 10 days from Kyiv in early October. Questions arose:
1. Do citizens of Ukraine need a visa in October 2012?
2. Is it cold during this period?
3. Which tour operator is reliable for this destination?
4. Can you recommend a hotel, quiet, as for German pensioners, with good food and a normal number of rooms, on the beach and not far from city attractions.
5. How much money to collect in dollars?
1. Do citizens of Ukraine need a visa in October 2012?
2. Is it cold during this period?
3. Which tour operator is reliable for this destination?
4. Can you recommend a hotel, quiet, as for German pensioners, with good food and a normal number of rooms, on the beach and not far from city attractions.
5. How much money to collect in dollars?
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1. After September 30, a visa is needed
2. Cool. We were at the end of August-beginning of September, so from September 1, more than half of the cafe was closed and the sun loungers were removed from the beach, leaving only 1-2 lines.
3. I recommend the meeting party - Pilon. Escort without a difference.
4. In Montenegro, it is better to relax not in a hotel, but in a villa, without food. Food in Montenegro at every step. Inexpensive and very tasty. What in a cafe, what you can cook at home.
5. It is not very profitable to bring dollars to Montenegro. All prices are in euros.
2. Cool. We were at the end of August-beginning of September, so from September 1, more than half of the cafe was closed and the sun loungers were removed from the beach, leaving only 1-2 lines.
3. I recommend the meeting party - Pilon. Escort without a difference.
4. In Montenegro, it is better to relax not in a hotel, but in a villa, without food. Food in Montenegro at every step. Inexpensive and very tasty. What in a cafe, what you can cook at home.
5. It is not very profitable to bring dollars to Montenegro. All prices are in euros.
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answered 12 years ago
1. I will clarify, a visa is not needed all year round to Montenegro! Ukrainian tourists Montenegro up to 30 days without a visa.
But Croatia without a visa allows not all year round, only in the season. And indeed, from October 1, a visa to Croatia is needed.
2. Swimming is unlikely, although there are people who go to the hole in the winter. But sunbathing, walking in nature is just comfortable. And sun loungers, cafes and other attributes of resort life really disappear from the beaches in the first days of September, here I agree with Viltis. Although there are still a lot of people and the heat is under 40 * C (I'm talking about the beginning of September).
3. I pass. We drive without maintenance
4. Also +1 to Viltis. Take an apartment or a villa, they also offer whole houses on the coast. In October, I'm sure there will be many offers at normal prices. Tour operators in Czech Republic and Croatia also offer many such options. Not only hotels. These apartments will have their own kitchen - it is not at all necessary to cook it yourself, but you will always have banal tea and a set of dishes. Often the owners of the apartments are also the owners of the restaurant - and you can eat there. But the best is to try the food in different places. Cheap and tasty everywhere ;-)
But Croatia without a visa allows not all year round, only in the season. And indeed, from October 1, a visa to Croatia is needed.
2. Swimming is unlikely, although there are people who go to the hole in the winter. But sunbathing, walking in nature is just comfortable. And sun loungers, cafes and other attributes of resort life really disappear from the beaches in the first days of September, here I agree with Viltis. Although there are still a lot of people and the heat is under 40 * C (I'm talking about the beginning of September).
3. I pass. We drive without maintenance
4. Also +1 to Viltis. Take an apartment or a villa, they also offer whole houses on the coast. In October, I'm sure there will be many offers at normal prices. Tour operators in Czech Republic and Croatia also offer many such options. Not only hotels. These apartments will have their own kitchen - it is not at all necessary to cook it yourself, but you will always have banal tea and a set of dishes. Often the owners of the apartments are also the owners of the restaurant - and you can eat there. But the best is to try the food in different places. Cheap and tasty everywhere ;-)
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5. The monetary unit of Montenegro is the euro. It makes no sense to carry a dollar. In Croatia, kunas, but you can often pay in euros. We don't take dollars to Europe for a long time - whatever one may say, no matter how you change it - it's not profitable.
And in the Czech Republic, we even had a joke. On the May weekend, we tried to pay the fine on the spot to the Czech Gait, and we had just these dollars and cards with us. He says the amount in CZK and EUR. We tell him how much is it in dollars? Maybe in dollars. And he says, guys, I haven’t seen dollars for 10 years, let me see. But the fine is in euros or kroons))))
Sorry for offtopic.
But how much to take is a rhetorical question. For some, 20 euros a day is over the roof, and for some, even 500 is not enough ... I think this: taking into account the prepayment of air and housing, taking into account the fact that payment by cards is less developed in ChG, there is a lot of cash. In Croatia, too, but better, sometimes you can pay for souvenirs on the market with a card. Then, the minimum cash for a couple of people per day is about 50 euros in CG and 60 in Croatia. This is if you do not go on excursions and do not eat in restaurants all the time. If you periodically travel and eat all the time, then at least 100 euros per day for a couple in the Czech Republic and about 130-150 in Croatia.
Naturally, with reserve money on the card.
And in the Czech Republic, we even had a joke. On the May weekend, we tried to pay the fine on the spot to the Czech Gait, and we had just these dollars and cards with us. He says the amount in CZK and EUR. We tell him how much is it in dollars? Maybe in dollars. And he says, guys, I haven’t seen dollars for 10 years, let me see. But the fine is in euros or kroons))))
Sorry for offtopic.
But how much to take is a rhetorical question. For some, 20 euros a day is over the roof, and for some, even 500 is not enough ... I think this: taking into account the prepayment of air and housing, taking into account the fact that payment by cards is less developed in ChG, there is a lot of cash. In Croatia, too, but better, sometimes you can pay for souvenirs on the market with a card. Then, the minimum cash for a couple of people per day is about 50 euros in CG and 60 in Croatia. This is if you do not go on excursions and do not eat in restaurants all the time. If you periodically travel and eat all the time, then at least 100 euros per day for a couple in the Czech Republic and about 130-150 in Croatia.
Naturally, with reserve money on the card.
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answered 12 years ago
It's just not clear, you want economically and only the beach, nature, or excursions, taxis, shopping, etc.
I figured out the minimum.
I figured out the minimum.
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Thanks a lot for the replies. Parents will go for the first time, so I wanted to combine 2-3 excursions and the beach. I think we will focus on Montenegro, since visas are not needed. The option to buy tickets and go on your own is very tempting.
What city would you recommend in Montenegro, so that it’s not far from the airport (it’s very expensive to take a taxi?) And you could go out of the villa for a walk, see sights like Nessebar in Bulgaria or Bodrum in Turkey?
Is it problematic to rent a villa, an apartment on the beach upon arrival by ourselves (parents do not speak English) and how much it will cost. And will they be allowed through customs without a hotel reservation?
How realistic is it possible in September (the month was revised, as it will be cold) with a budget of 1700 euros to relax in Montenegro for 10 days for 2 adults, including meals in a cafe?
What city would you recommend in Montenegro, so that it’s not far from the airport (it’s very expensive to take a taxi?) And you could go out of the villa for a walk, see sights like Nessebar in Bulgaria or Bodrum in Turkey?
Is it problematic to rent a villa, an apartment on the beach upon arrival by ourselves (parents do not speak English) and how much it will cost. And will they be allowed through customs without a hotel reservation?
How realistic is it possible in September (the month was revised, as it will be cold) with a budget of 1700 euros to relax in Montenegro for 10 days for 2 adults, including meals in a cafe?
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answered 12 years ago
In September and Croatia without a visa.
There are many excursions - on the embankments, beaches there are barkers and leaflets are handed out all the time. The distances in the CG are quite small, so the excursions are not very tiring and not expensive. I can't tell you the details, since we travel by car. But there was not one more expensive than 50 euros (the most expensive Dubrovnik for a day). There are a lot of boats that sail around the cities on the coast, they also sail to the islands (for example, there are islands with a church near Petrovac, an island just opposite Budva). For older people, Budva will probably be more convenient because of the plain, infrastructure, including 24-hour supermarkets, a promenade with restaurants, excursions, the old town (by the way, you can walk along the Budva fortress wall like in Dubrovnik, but for free). But the beach is not the cleanest, of course. Crowded.
But the airport is close, in addition to taxis, there is public transport, inexpensive. In Sveti Stefan, Petrovac, Przno I recommend to go (or better to swim), but do not take excursions. For example, sail to Sveti Stefan and take a walk to Przno, there is a beautiful park, shade, sightseeing places. Also with Petrovac - sail to the city, take a walk, and also walk along the road with tunnels - there are also wonderful views and coniferous smells))
There are many excursions - on the embankments, beaches there are barkers and leaflets are handed out all the time. The distances in the CG are quite small, so the excursions are not very tiring and not expensive. I can't tell you the details, since we travel by car. But there was not one more expensive than 50 euros (the most expensive Dubrovnik for a day). There are a lot of boats that sail around the cities on the coast, they also sail to the islands (for example, there are islands with a church near Petrovac, an island just opposite Budva). For older people, Budva will probably be more convenient because of the plain, infrastructure, including 24-hour supermarkets, a promenade with restaurants, excursions, the old town (by the way, you can walk along the Budva fortress wall like in Dubrovnik, but for free). But the beach is not the cleanest, of course. Crowded.
But the airport is close, in addition to taxis, there is public transport, inexpensive. In Sveti Stefan, Petrovac, Przno I recommend to go (or better to swim), but do not take excursions. For example, sail to Sveti Stefan and take a walk to Przno, there is a beautiful park, shade, sightseeing places. Also with Petrovac - sail to the city, take a walk, and also walk along the road with tunnels - there are also wonderful views and coniferous smells))
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answered 12 years ago
Places to watch with excursions are Dubrovnik, Boka Bay + Kotor.
There are also Tara and Moraca canyons. You will see the Moracha River and the canyon in any way - the road passes through the canyon itself, but there are almost no places to stop - I don’t know if the bus stops for tourists in this canyon. Canyon of Tara and the bridge - well, so-so. I was not very impressed with the bridge, far from the most interesting part of the Tara canyon. If they take you to Zabljak and the Black Lake in addition to the canyons, then not bad. But such an excursion is tiring - a long ride, and there will not be much time to watch. It is made for one day. We ourselves drove for two days and additionally looked at the canyon of the Piva River - I still think that there was very little time for inspection.
They take it to Cetinje + Lovcen, well, that's it. If they unite with the bay and Kotor, then it’s normal. If only Cetinje and Lovcen, then I don’t see the point. Nice, but nothing more.
Of the popular excursions, there is also Skadar Lake, the Ostrog rock monastery and a trip to Albania. I won’t say anything, I haven’t tried it ;-) The first one was recommended to me by a friend, she lives in ChG. True, in our version, this is still a car, a little off the bus route, just behind the silence.
You can find accommodation, they don’t ask for a voucher at the airport.
There are also Tara and Moraca canyons. You will see the Moracha River and the canyon in any way - the road passes through the canyon itself, but there are almost no places to stop - I don’t know if the bus stops for tourists in this canyon. Canyon of Tara and the bridge - well, so-so. I was not very impressed with the bridge, far from the most interesting part of the Tara canyon. If they take you to Zabljak and the Black Lake in addition to the canyons, then not bad. But such an excursion is tiring - a long ride, and there will not be much time to watch. It is made for one day. We ourselves drove for two days and additionally looked at the canyon of the Piva River - I still think that there was very little time for inspection.
They take it to Cetinje + Lovcen, well, that's it. If they unite with the bay and Kotor, then it’s normal. If only Cetinje and Lovcen, then I don’t see the point. Nice, but nothing more.
Of the popular excursions, there is also Skadar Lake, the Ostrog rock monastery and a trip to Albania. I won’t say anything, I haven’t tried it ;-) The first one was recommended to me by a friend, she lives in ChG. True, in our version, this is still a car, a little off the bus route, just behind the silence.
You can find accommodation, they don’t ask for a voucher at the airport.
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There are a lot of Russian speakers, there are plenty of ours, many locals know Russian. Those who do not know understandably wave their hands, write on pieces of paper, and in general, the Serbian-Slavic language with all the consequences.
Parents who are "going for the first time" I would not trust the search for housing on the spot! It's easy for me, but for my mother-in-law it's a test. People there are like us and all sorts of divorces are not uncommon. Therefore, I would find housing on the Internet, with a photo, write to the owners of the villa, discuss all the points, including the tax (often they try to take it twice, but as they give white cardboard, we don’t understand Russian right away ;-). Specify the entire amount in writing, including the local tax (it is something like 1 or 1.5 euros per day per person), specify what is included in the price (so that later it does not turn out that paid cleaning or a fan, and Wi-Fi too).
Anything can happen, it is better to know in advance what you are paying for.
Parents who are "going for the first time" I would not trust the search for housing on the spot! It's easy for me, but for my mother-in-law it's a test. People there are like us and all sorts of divorces are not uncommon. Therefore, I would find housing on the Internet, with a photo, write to the owners of the villa, discuss all the points, including the tax (often they try to take it twice, but as they give white cardboard, we don’t understand Russian right away ;-). Specify the entire amount in writing, including the local tax (it is something like 1 or 1.5 euros per day per person), specify what is included in the price (so that later it does not turn out that paid cleaning or a fan, and Wi-Fi too).
Anything can happen, it is better to know in advance what you are paying for.
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Don't abandon Croatia! A visa is not needed, but usually they ask for a voucher (a confirmation from the owner of the villa, correspondence and addresses with telephones is enough).
Croatia may soon become a Schengen, perhaps it is better to "take" it, otherwise it will be more difficult later. There are fewer people in Croatia, ours, by the way, too. It is cleaner, well-groomed, the cities, as for me, are more beautiful, they are larger and the temple-fortresses are also more massive. But more expensive for living and, especially, for public transport. The water in Croatia is cleaner, mainly because it seems so because there are much fewer people and boats, the coast is huge. And in the CHG everything is in a pile, everything is nearby, there are people here, here the boats-beaches are small. I really liked Croatia, but objectively, the price / quality in the Czech Republic is better
Croatia may soon become a Schengen, perhaps it is better to "take" it, otherwise it will be more difficult later. There are fewer people in Croatia, ours, by the way, too. It is cleaner, well-groomed, the cities, as for me, are more beautiful, they are larger and the temple-fortresses are also more massive. But more expensive for living and, especially, for public transport. The water in Croatia is cleaner, mainly because it seems so because there are much fewer people and boats, the coast is huge. And in the CHG everything is in a pile, everything is nearby, there are people here, here the boats-beaches are small. I really liked Croatia, but objectively, the price / quality in the Czech Republic is better
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If the choice is only between Croatia and Montenegro, and even with the opportunity to sunbathe and swim, then it is better to fly to Montenegro, to the city of Tivat. It is very close to the sea and the weather there is much warmer than in Croatia, and the excursions are more varied. Although, as it has already been said here, Croatia is much cleaner and, in its way of life, is close to Austria or Germany.
Take money only in euro! Plus a small amount on the debit card, just in case. Approximate consumption per day for two from 50 to 100 euros. This includes transfers to other cities, excursions (on average), meals, etc.
Well, much has already been written about rental housing in these countries. see for example my story about an independent trip to Croatia. Only now, as already mentioned here, for older people it can be quite stressful, but it is quite possible. My mother, for example, travels everywhere by herself and rents her own accommodation (hotels, hostals or apartments) and she has no problems, she has never stayed on the street. Although she does not speak any language other than Russian. So it's better to ask your parents if they will walk around the yards to rent a place for themselves.
Take money only in euro! Plus a small amount on the debit card, just in case. Approximate consumption per day for two from 50 to 100 euros. This includes transfers to other cities, excursions (on average), meals, etc.
Well, much has already been written about rental housing in these countries. see for example my story about an independent trip to Croatia. Only now, as already mentioned here, for older people it can be quite stressful, but it is quite possible. My mother, for example, travels everywhere by herself and rents her own accommodation (hotels, hostals or apartments) and she has no problems, she has never stayed on the street. Although she does not speak any language other than Russian. So it's better to ask your parents if they will walk around the yards to rent a place for themselves.
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Well, about the tour operator. Any company can dump you, intentionally or accidentally. So it's better to buy tickets yourself, in bulk at charter air ticket offices and at a reasonable price, especially if you buy just before departure. By the way, tickets from there are much cheaper than there. If desired, they can be combined and the flight will be much cheaper.
You can simply book a hotel, any, but do not pay for the entire stay. If your parents don't like it, you can move to another hotel. Although the hotels there are quite expensive, it is more convenient and cheaper to rent an apartment.
You can simply book a hotel, any, but do not pay for the entire stay. If your parents don't like it, you can move to another hotel. Although the hotels there are quite expensive, it is more convenient and cheaper to rent an apartment.
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answered 12 years ago
Look at http://www.meest-tour.com.ua/vidpochinok-za-kordonom/chornogorija/aviacharter.html I used the services of this company several times, though by bus charter (but for parents it's hard). I rented an apartment myself on the Internet, with a mini-kitchen, cooked it myself or ate in cafes. Apartments, according to your taste, can be rented in advance on the Internet and you don’t need to go around the yards. Excursions can be bought on the spot without any problems. As for the expense of 50 euros for two, I bet. For two, I spent 250 euros for food and "pocket expenses" (souvenirs, knick-knacks) for 11 days. Of course, if you go on excursions every day, then this is another 30 euros for two. Good luck!
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Good afternoon! Please advise a travel agency that would provide visa support on a bus charter to Montenegro, subject to an independent search for housing. All of the above travel agencies indicate on their websites that they do not deal with visas for customers who do not buy tours from them. I found one site where they helped with a Romanian visa , but now it does not "pop up" when searching. It is clear that it is more convenient to fly, but I would like a more budget option for the trip. Thank you!
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