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I have a 2-year multischengen, I want to join a travel agency for 5 days in the Czech Republic, and then continue my trip to Europe on my own. I guarantee the availability of a return ticket from another country. Is such an option possible?
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Of course it's possible, why not? Travel agencies are worried that all tourists for whom they received visas at embassies under their own documents would return. If you already have a visa, I think that the issue of returning them will not bother them at all.
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answered 12 years ago
Thank you very much for the answer, I also think that this is not serfdom, but the travel agent categorically said no :-)
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answered 12 years ago
Strange... What travel agent? Try calling the operator directly. I know many cases when tourists were delayed for several days after the end of the tour, if the visa allowed.
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answered 12 years ago
As an agent, I declare that there are no formal problems in your case. And the availability of a return ticket is your own business.
Another thing is that the agent and / or operator may not want to contact your Schengen visa and take you as part of a group in their transport. After the well-known incident with the tourists of Accord. No one wants to risk their image and the delay of the entire group at some border for the profit of a 5-day tour.
It is not for nothing that the Polish Foreign Ministry recalled six visa consuls from Lutsk and fired five of them. And these visas are still walking.
Another thing is that the agent and / or operator may not want to contact your Schengen visa and take you as part of a group in their transport. After the well-known incident with the tourists of Accord. No one wants to risk their image and the delay of the entire group at some border for the profit of a 5-day tour.
It is not for nothing that the Polish Foreign Ministry recalled six visa consuls from Lutsk and fired five of them. And these visas are still walking.
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answered 12 years ago
The point here is quite different.
You must cross the border on your own, and already in the Czech Republic, at least at the very border, join the group. Then the operator does not bear any responsibility for you, even though you will be completely lost there in the vastness of the Schengen zone.
If you cross the border as part of a group, you must return as part of the same group.
Read this explanation to your TA, and he will gladly accept you.
Have a nice trip!
You must cross the border on your own, and already in the Czech Republic, at least at the very border, join the group. Then the operator does not bear any responsibility for you, even though you will be completely lost there in the vastness of the Schengen zone.
If you cross the border as part of a group, you must return as part of the same group.
Read this explanation to your TA, and he will gladly accept you.
Have a nice trip!
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answered 12 years ago
"If you cross the border as part of a group, you must return as part of the same group."
Why? If the visa was obtained not as part of a group, but independently? Many tourists, in general, return from bus tours by plane, separated from the group, so as not to waste two days on the way home. And this despite the fact that visas were opened by the operator.
Why? If the visa was obtained not as part of a group, but independently? Many tourists, in general, return from bus tours by plane, separated from the group, so as not to waste two days on the way home. And this despite the fact that visas were opened by the operator.
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answered 12 years ago
Weird. When crossing the border in a group, in addition to the passports of each tourist, a list of the group is submitted, the same list is submitted at the border control upon return. I will not say categorically, but it is so.
Why, then, this TA rested its horn on, it is not clear. After all, the cost of the tour will be the same as when crossing the border on your own, minus the cost of return tickets. Something this tourist does not say.
Why, then, this TA rested its horn on, it is not clear. After all, the cost of the tour will be the same as when crossing the border on your own, minus the cost of return tickets. Something this tourist does not say.
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answered 12 years ago
Perhaps, as HotLine wrote, it's the visa itself. If this is a Polish cartoon, and God forbid a worker, then, of course, no one needs such a smut.
Z.Y. We somehow had a group visa to Switzerland :) Back in pre-Schengen times. That's when we crossed the border. I don't remember this anymore.
Z.Y. We somehow had a group visa to Switzerland :) Back in pre-Schengen times. That's when we crossed the border. I don't remember this anymore.
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answered 12 years ago
I agree. If the chela has his own visa, and even for such a long period, TA has nothing to worry about at all, let him worry about those who have a visa only for the period of the trip, so if they fall behind the group, it will be unpleasant.
I guess this TA is just dumb and lazy.
I guess this TA is just dumb and lazy.
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answered 12 years ago
This is a more realistic solution to the problem. But the agent will not be happy. Believe me. I would not give my manager permission for such an agreement with a tourist. Income 30 euros, and responsibility for the entire amount of the contract.
sigur62 correctly emphasized. The problem is not in the presence of a visa, but in the fact that a person is not going to return with a group.
The same Accord offers excellent prices for tours for people who have valid visas. But for full tours. And I do not rule out that the accompanying group at the same time collects passports from tourists. Haven't been interested in a long time.
Chat with an agent who is more experienced with sightseeing tours. It is unlikely that someone will unload before the border and pick up after it. But there are options. In extreme cases, you will get to Prague yourself.
sigur62 correctly emphasized. The problem is not in the presence of a visa, but in the fact that a person is not going to return with a group.
The same Accord offers excellent prices for tours for people who have valid visas. But for full tours. And I do not rule out that the accompanying group at the same time collects passports from tourists. Haven't been interested in a long time.
Chat with an agent who is more experienced with sightseeing tours. It is unlikely that someone will unload before the border and pick up after it. But there are options. In extreme cases, you will get to Prague yourself.
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answered 12 years ago
Oh, I was digressing here, and the page was open. My post was supposed to be right after sigur62's first post
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answered 12 years ago
Yes, we have already found out everything about TA. Chel will go to another, more sensible.
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answered 12 years ago
I saw it after I wrote it.
But since I'm hooked, I'll add it.
We rarely sell excursions, only for our regular tourists. And mostly from the Accord. Somehow everything coincides - prices, program, conditions. But I want to note that Accord receives visas for very simple documents and salary certificates. Surely, they have some kind of responsibility to the consulate in this case.
But this year my managers chose an air tour to Prague from News Travel. We bought a couple of excursions from Bohemia.
But since I'm hooked, I'll add it.
We rarely sell excursions, only for our regular tourists. And mostly from the Accord. Somehow everything coincides - prices, program, conditions. But I want to note that Accord receives visas for very simple documents and salary certificates. Surely, they have some kind of responsibility to the consulate in this case.
But this year my managers chose an air tour to Prague from News Travel. We bought a couple of excursions from Bohemia.
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answered 12 years ago
Thanks for the clarifications. I have a Belgian Schengen, and before that, my passport was also stamped with a bunch of different solid Schengen. I will find out tomorrow from the operator (Alliance) - is it possible to join abroad. It's a shame to go to Kyiv, and then to Belgium, if it's already halfway done :-)
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answered 12 years ago
Anonymous wrote to me here:
"Ay-yay! A professional, but you don't know such elementary things! :-))) It's not about a visa, but about the Rules for the carriage of passengers in Europe by Ukrainian buses! Our buses DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to connect or disconnect tourists along the route! How they crossed the border in such a train, they ride in Europe and return to Ukraine. 95% of transportation in bus tours was carried out by Ukrainian buses. This is only possible in expensive tours with a railway crossing to Warsaw, etc., since further Polish buses are used . "
"Ay-yay! A professional, but you don't know such elementary things! :-))) It's not about a visa, but about the Rules for the carriage of passengers in Europe by Ukrainian buses! Our buses DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to connect or disconnect tourists along the route! How they crossed the border in such a train, they ride in Europe and return to Ukraine. 95% of transportation in bus tours was carried out by Ukrainian buses. This is only possible in expensive tours with a railway crossing to Warsaw, etc., since further Polish buses are used . "
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answered 12 years ago
Reply to anonymous.
1. Feel free to go public. If you have something to report - write.
2. I do not know many elementary things that do not relate to my professional or personal interests. My agency does not specialize in sightseeing tours, we do not create sightseeing tours, and have never booked tours like the one described in the question. But I know for sure that if a tourist came to us with such an application, the manager would definitely consult the operator and tell the client not only the solution, but also the reasons.
3. In general, I have many questions about such rules. Who is the subject? "BUSES ARE NOT LEGISLATED"? Funny. Who is responsible for compliance and how is it verified? If you believe this statement, then the problem, it turns out, will be at our border when returning (I exaggerate - at the bus :-). Marvelous. Tomorrow there will be time - I'll see.
1. Feel free to go public. If you have something to report - write.
2. I do not know many elementary things that do not relate to my professional or personal interests. My agency does not specialize in sightseeing tours, we do not create sightseeing tours, and have never booked tours like the one described in the question. But I know for sure that if a tourist came to us with such an application, the manager would definitely consult the operator and tell the client not only the solution, but also the reasons.
3. In general, I have many questions about such rules. Who is the subject? "BUSES ARE NOT LEGISLATED"? Funny. Who is responsible for compliance and how is it verified? If you believe this statement, then the problem, it turns out, will be at our border when returning (I exaggerate - at the bus :-). Marvelous. Tomorrow there will be time - I'll see.
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answered 12 years ago
Thanks for the replies gentlemen. The operator categorically refused me to leave the group, in the herd there - in the herd, according to the list, they will count back. I have never traveled with travel agencies, always on my own, so I will not start such a practice :)
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answered 12 years ago
You can contact another operator. Feeria and Inkomart, for example, as far as I know, did not refuse such "deviations". Moreover, even on the site there are options "with joining" there.
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answered 12 years ago
I don't understand buses. which means "What composition crossed the border, so they ride in Europe and return to Ukraine." does this only apply to tours?? and then some kind of nonsense comes out. what about the buses running between countries???!!!
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answered 12 years ago
Agree with Anetka-Gan! How many traveled, someone always joined, some go according to their own program. Once, several tourists were left for a couple of days in Karlovy Vary while traveling to Germany, and picked up on the way back. Near the Czech-German border we were slowed down, our passports were checked, and with God we were released (at the same time, there was a shortage of tourists on the bus). In Poland, we were joined by tourists who were in the previous group (they extended their vacation, the visa allowed). We picked them up and drove home. There were no problems at the border, as the visa regime was not violated. It was in 2010, the notorious Accord tour operator.
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answered 12 years ago
