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I’m going abroad and I’m concerned about the question, if you don’t pay, what can they not let you go abroad (fines, penalties, other debts)?
Please tell me, in case of non-payment, what is not released abroad (unpaid fines, penalties and other debts)?
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They don’t let them go abroad (at least in Ukraine, I think that in Russia as well) if the border service has a paper from the judicial authorities (we have a bailiff) about the decision that the plaintiff is prohibited from leaving the cordon. And the reasons are different - non-payment of the loan, pending court case, etc. . If there is no decision to ban travel from the border service, then you can leave even with unpaid debts. The border service cannot know about them.
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answered 9 years ago
They can not let you out abroad only if there is a court decision that has entered into force to prohibit your departure from the country (usually this happens in cases where the amount of debt is prohibitively large). Since it is difficult to assume that the oligarchs also hang out at Turpravda, I will admit that you are not a millionaire, but an ordinary citizen. Don't worry and go easy. The border service that you have, that we have, is not yet so "rukasta". But when you return, try to pay off your debts. There are plenty of legitimate ways to do this. And then you won't have to dry your moSH :) before the next trip.
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answered 9 years ago
I wouldn't be answering this question if my good friend wasn't in a similar situation.
Arriving in Boryspil from another city, the border guards did not let him in. He began to figure out for what reason - "there is a decision of the bailiff to ban travel abroad."
The trip was lost, the border service of Boryspil did not give any other information, he returned home. He began to sort it out. On the old loan, which he had already closed, the bailiff took the initiative (and this turns out to be possible) and closed his exit for the cordon. And this piece of paper is in the register of the border service. Yes, the bailiff is no longer there, he paid off. to resolve this issue.
So it's not so simple, dear staruha izergil! And this does not apply only to millionaires, anyone can fall into these millstones!
And that's also why I insure against non-departure before trips. Illness, such a case, at least partially, but the money will be returned.
Arriving in Boryspil from another city, the border guards did not let him in. He began to figure out for what reason - "there is a decision of the bailiff to ban travel abroad."
The trip was lost, the border service of Boryspil did not give any other information, he returned home. He began to sort it out. On the old loan, which he had already closed, the bailiff took the initiative (and this turns out to be possible) and closed his exit for the cordon. And this piece of paper is in the register of the border service. Yes, the bailiff is no longer there, he paid off. to resolve this issue.
So it's not so simple, dear staruha izergil! And this does not apply only to millionaires, anyone can fall into these millstones!
And that's also why I insure against non-departure before trips. Illness, such a case, at least partially, but the money will be returned.
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answered 9 years ago
Honestly, alex45, the situation you described is somewhat unexpected. I don’t know, of course, how legitimate the actions of the bailiff are - you need to study the materiel. But that's why your friend does not dispute this case in court (after all, the debt has been repaid, there are no longer any grounds for a ban on leaving) is a mystery to me.
One cannot but agree with you that, due to the imperfection of the judicial and executive systems, anyone can really fall under distribution. And the best antidote to this is insurance.
One cannot but agree with you that, due to the imperfection of the judicial and executive systems, anyone can really fall under distribution. And the best antidote to this is insurance.
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answered 9 years ago
And yet, the border service does not give information whether you are traveling or not. you face a fact, already when you are standing in front of their window.
The bank, by the way, did not show this initiative, and when it turned to them, they answered “And what do we have to do with it.” The court also does not see its fault, the little man who did this is no longer in the executive service, but the piece of paper does its job. And go, waste time, and money too, according to bureaucratic instances.
The bank, by the way, did not show this initiative, and when it turned to them, they answered “And what do we have to do with it.” The court also does not see its fault, the little man who did this is no longer in the executive service, but the piece of paper does its job. And go, waste time, and money too, according to bureaucratic instances.
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answered 9 years ago
But when answering questions, I also rely on my own experience and the experience of my close friends. So. Among my friends (very close ones), several people, for various reasons, were problem borrowers at different times (some longer, some less). And not once has anyone stopped anyone when crossing the border (pah-pah-pah). Maybe because the cordons crossed mainly along the railway and by car. But, again, this has never happened.
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answered 9 years ago
I will answer in which film we saw that "our court is the fairest court in the world." Especially in Ukraine.
He is already spending money on a lawyer, the court is still unknown when it will be, it took a long time to find out who the plaintiff in this case is. Everything needs papers that they don’t want to write like that and answer too. It's complicated!
But we answered the TC, there is no decision not to leave the border service, you can safely go abroad, in addition, we judge from the Ukrainian bell tower, and the Russians have not connected to this topic, and there may be other nuances in Russia.
He is already spending money on a lawyer, the court is still unknown when it will be, it took a long time to find out who the plaintiff in this case is. Everything needs papers that they don’t want to write like that and answer too. It's complicated!
But we answered the TC, there is no decision not to leave the border service, you can safely go abroad, in addition, we judge from the Ukrainian bell tower, and the Russians have not connected to this topic, and there may be other nuances in Russia.
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answered 9 years ago
staruha_izergil, Be critical of alex45's recommendations. He is a great visionary and manipulator. The profession "judicial officer" literally means "enforcement of judicial decisions." Therefore, they cannot prohibit a person from leaving without a court decision with this measure of restriction. If anyone has any doubts, then let him call Derzhkordon's hotline. They also personally can get an answer on the presence of their limitations.
There was a very short period when banks could prohibit a person from leaving under a simplified procedure. This was during the previous crisis of 2008. President Yushchenko signed such a decree to please the banks. But this norm was in effect for a couple of months, there was a big scandal, since such a norm could not be introduced by decree. But a few people got hurt.
There was a very short period when banks could prohibit a person from leaving under a simplified procedure. This was during the previous crisis of 2008. President Yushchenko signed such a decree to please the banks. But this norm was in effect for a couple of months, there was a big scandal, since such a norm could not be introduced by decree. But a few people got hurt.
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answered 9 years ago
A good friend alex45 most likely had the following situation. There was a problem loan, there was a court decision, there was a travel ban, a friend repaid the loan, but no one bothered to lift the ban after that. This is indeed a problem. Border guards and courts do not monitor what is happening with loans from a particular person. An unreliable borrower himself must initiate the lifting of the ban. The procedure is elementary, almost the same as replacing those passports of a credit car after paying off the loan.
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answered 9 years ago
This procedure has been going on for half a year, and if you are so literate, you would not refer to the procedure for replacing the vehicle registration certificate, but dropped the link to the procedure for lifting the ban on leaving the cordon.
Although your recommendations should be treated with caution. Let me be a "big dreamer and manipulator", but there is such a fact, and I am not going to prove anything to you, "Hot Line"! This does not concern you personally, and if I answered something incorrectly in the response of the TS, then indicate it there.
The courts do not always even send out their decisions, and they do not even always send subpoenas to court sessions, but for the execution of court decisions there is an Executive Service that can seem to execute court decisions for years, or maybe very quickly "solve problems." You in fact, did they themselves personally initiate any withdrawal of court decisions, or, conversely, the adoption of court decisions in the Executive Service? Just not theoretically.
Although your recommendations should be treated with caution. Let me be a "big dreamer and manipulator", but there is such a fact, and I am not going to prove anything to you, "Hot Line"! This does not concern you personally, and if I answered something incorrectly in the response of the TS, then indicate it there.
The courts do not always even send out their decisions, and they do not even always send subpoenas to court sessions, but for the execution of court decisions there is an Executive Service that can seem to execute court decisions for years, or maybe very quickly "solve problems." You in fact, did they themselves personally initiate any withdrawal of court decisions, or, conversely, the adoption of court decisions in the Executive Service? Just not theoretically.
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answered 9 years ago
Yes, I answered the TS, although I made a reservation that this situation is in Ukraine, but in Russia it may be different.
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answered 9 years ago
alex45, I did not write to you at all.
I repeat once again - a ban on leaving can only be by a court decision (we do not consider cases where a person is wanted). Even the mobilization this year has not changed anything. Lifting the travel ban is the responsibility of the punished. Neither the courts nor the border service are obliged to monitor the repayment of the offenders' loans. Lifting the ban is a simple procedure if the parties to the judgment do not have claims against each other.
And now, especially for alex45 - I write what I know firsthand.
"my good friend", ""there is a decision of the bailiff to ban travel abroad", "the bailiff took the initiative" - this is all the bazaar version.
I repeat once again - a ban on leaving can only be by a court decision (we do not consider cases where a person is wanted). Even the mobilization this year has not changed anything. Lifting the travel ban is the responsibility of the punished. Neither the courts nor the border service are obliged to monitor the repayment of the offenders' loans. Lifting the ban is a simple procedure if the parties to the judgment do not have claims against each other.
And now, especially for alex45 - I write what I know firsthand.
"my good friend", ""there is a decision of the bailiff to ban travel abroad", "the bailiff took the initiative" - this is all the bazaar version.
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answered 9 years ago
By the way, for the future to all readers. If the border service does not let you out, then you have the right to receive a certificate from the shift supervisor on the reasons for the refusal of a pass. Then there will be no market. And if this is a bazaar, then it will be possible to find the culprit and demand money from him for the lost tour.
Again, if someone lives in fantasies, then I responsibly declare that the subpoenas are sent, all stages of the court decision are available online, you can even generate the subpoena yourself. Website - http://court.gov.ua/.
You can even enter a court decision on a "good friend" alex45 in the unified register and see if the bailiff had grounds for imposing a travel ban.
alex45 - life is changing, keep up.
Again, if someone lives in fantasies, then I responsibly declare that the subpoenas are sent, all stages of the court decision are available online, you can even generate the subpoena yourself. Website - http://court.gov.ua/.
You can even enter a court decision on a "good friend" alex45 in the unified register and see if the bailiff had grounds for imposing a travel ban.
alex45 - life is changing, keep up.
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answered 9 years ago
Men, why continue to be measured in the style of "whose hat is higher and whose saber is longer?". It seems to me that the TC received more than comprehensive answers to his question. And I have already thanked the participants of the discussion. The issue is essentially closed. And you started some kind of endless argument. Maybe we need to stop and stop further unproductive discussion? On my own behalf, I want to thank you both: thanks to you, alex45, and you, HotLine, I discovered for myself the nuances that I did not suspect. I would be grateful if you take my post with understanding.
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answered 9 years ago
staruha_izergil, you are right. But I have my own truth. My attitude to the information on this site is as follows. If you decide to give public advice and recommendations, then they must be correct and competent. We do not need this, but those who ask and those who will then google this information. Therefore, if I see fantasies, then I correct them. How else? And this is not measuring caps. This is the principle. And we have a long-standing relationship with Alex45, which is why he is so nervous and twitchy.
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answered 9 years ago
It seems incorrect to me, sorry for the m.b. rudeness, "clogging the air" just to ... I don't even know why. Your information has been heard. If there are still some unsaid points, it may be more logical to continue their discussion in personal correspondence with the opponent. Moreover, TP provides such an opportunity. But you yourself give and provoke kilometers of unnecessary information. What for?!
As one of the participants in the discussion, I am somewhat strained by the endless notices of new answers to the question. I have to read them. But alas, the construct was lost somewhere far away. Therefore, I ask you both to stop public discussion of the CLOSED TS question. The man got the answers. Dot.
P.S. Sorry if it was harsh.
P.P.S. I no longer respond to this discussion.
As one of the participants in the discussion, I am somewhat strained by the endless notices of new answers to the question. I have to read them. But alas, the construct was lost somewhere far away. Therefore, I ask you both to stop public discussion of the CLOSED TS question. The man got the answers. Dot.
P.S. Sorry if it was harsh.
P.P.S. I no longer respond to this discussion.
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answered 9 years ago
1. With the exception of my last post, all the previous ones were with specific information on the topic, with clear wording and links. There was a need for this, because even you began to deviate somewhere from the correct wording.
2. My last post contained my principle of answering questions on this site. Therefore, he is also a target. After all, we want to be of benefit to those who read and question, and not to curtsey to each other here.
3. I have nothing to apologize for. And there is nothing to apologize for - you correctly answered the question of the HARDWARE in the first post.
4. Do not forget that we are not just answerers to questions - we are real equal people with our own principles and assessments. I especially smile at posts in which they write that there is no need to write more. You just need to not write, not write about it. Hehe.
2. My last post contained my principle of answering questions on this site. Therefore, he is also a target. After all, we want to be of benefit to those who read and question, and not to curtsey to each other here.
3. I have nothing to apologize for. And there is nothing to apologize for - you correctly answered the question of the HARDWARE in the first post.
4. Do not forget that we are not just answerers to questions - we are real equal people with our own principles and assessments. I especially smile at posts in which they write that there is no need to write more. You just need to not write, not write about it. Hehe.
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answered 9 years ago
Thank you, saruha izergil, that you paid attention to the fact that we answered the TS, whether it was complete or not, this is another matter.
And for the example I gave you, that not leaving the cordon can affect not only an oligarch or a millionaire, but any of us (correctly or erroneously), it is possible that he received a bunch of garbage from the most famous troll, like the Hot Line. Not corrections for answers, but a discussion that no one needs.
I have a fact in front of me that a person has been struggling with such a cool system as our courts and their executive service for half a year, and this is an indisputable fact, but I won’t prove it to the troll. From his side there is a theory and instructions on what needs to be done according to theory. By the way, he didn’t answer anything on the essence of the TS question. I’m also not interested in receiving the nicknames “dreamer and manipulator” from the troll, and therefore I answered him. I don’t think that only he has the correct wording and he didn’t convince me of this. , I did not receive an intelligible answer, did he encounter the Executive Service. Again, theory, but there is also practice.
And for the example I gave you, that not leaving the cordon can affect not only an oligarch or a millionaire, but any of us (correctly or erroneously), it is possible that he received a bunch of garbage from the most famous troll, like the Hot Line. Not corrections for answers, but a discussion that no one needs.
I have a fact in front of me that a person has been struggling with such a cool system as our courts and their executive service for half a year, and this is an indisputable fact, but I won’t prove it to the troll. From his side there is a theory and instructions on what needs to be done according to theory. By the way, he didn’t answer anything on the essence of the TS question. I’m also not interested in receiving the nicknames “dreamer and manipulator” from the troll, and therefore I answered him. I don’t think that only he has the correct wording and he didn’t convince me of this. , I did not receive an intelligible answer, did he encounter the Executive Service. Again, theory, but there is also practice.
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answered 9 years ago
On reflection, I realized that I behaved extremely incorrectly. Since this is a public site, and all its users are absolutely equal. And it’s not worth being smart and telling strangers what, how, when and where to do it. I ask you, alex45, and you, HotLine, to accept my apologies. I will try not to make such mistakes in the future. But, believe me, it was driven solely by the best of intentions.
Sincerely,
Sincerely,
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answered 9 years ago
staruha_izergil, I repeat, you have nothing to apologize for. You have the right motivation and you answered correctly.
I, too, will point out fantasies, manipulations and delusions. By the way, I never answer first, because I think that a tourist will understand a tourist better.
alex45, take an interest in how the word "troll" is spelled correctly. And then this illiteracy hurts the eyes. By the number of rudeness, you, as usual, have surpassed me in this thread. Now you know what it's called and how it's spelled.
About my acquaintance with the Executive Service, which worries you so much. If you read my answers here, then the answer to this question is obvious.
I am a public figure, so I run into business problems. The nature of our work is such that we work with people who also have procedural problems. And this circle is much wider and more diverse than the circle of your "good friends". For objective reasons. You've been retired for a long time.
I, too, will point out fantasies, manipulations and delusions. By the way, I never answer first, because I think that a tourist will understand a tourist better.
alex45, take an interest in how the word "troll" is spelled correctly. And then this illiteracy hurts the eyes. By the number of rudeness, you, as usual, have surpassed me in this thread. Now you know what it's called and how it's spelled.
About my acquaintance with the Executive Service, which worries you so much. If you read my answers here, then the answer to this question is obvious.
I am a public figure, so I run into business problems. The nature of our work is such that we work with people who also have procedural problems. And this circle is much wider and more diverse than the circle of your "good friends". For objective reasons. You've been retired for a long time.
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answered 9 years ago
By the way, you are also approaching the retirement milestone, but for some reason you think you have the right to sculpt different nicknames for people, and you didn’t even notice it.
And in public activities, you are an ordinary intermediary in tourism activities, a "travel agent". My company also has one, it provides my employees with travel services, although he doesn’t boast about it. By the way, if you “face business problems”, then you know that there are no pensioners in the business.
You called me a pensioner, as if you wanted to humiliate me. For people like you, probably, a pensioner is not an honored person, but simply a person with low incomes, not interesting for you.
And of course, you practically do not answer the questions of tourists (this has long been known to everyone who knows you), you need to show your superiority in knowledge, which is why you start these squabbles in Turpravda.
If you don’t know that the courts often do not send their decisions to the plaintiffs and then demand payment upon request, you don’t know that they often don’t even send subpoenas, then you know very little about this part of life
And in public activities, you are an ordinary intermediary in tourism activities, a "travel agent". My company also has one, it provides my employees with travel services, although he doesn’t boast about it. By the way, if you “face business problems”, then you know that there are no pensioners in the business.
You called me a pensioner, as if you wanted to humiliate me. For people like you, probably, a pensioner is not an honored person, but simply a person with low incomes, not interesting for you.
And of course, you practically do not answer the questions of tourists (this has long been known to everyone who knows you), you need to show your superiority in knowledge, which is why you start these squabbles in Turpravda.
If you don’t know that the courts often do not send their decisions to the plaintiffs and then demand payment upon request, you don’t know that they often don’t even send subpoenas, then you know very little about this part of life
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answered 9 years ago
Here is a reaction to fair comments. The troll has been dealt with. And this, by the way, you called me that, I didn’t use nicknames (an example of distortion).
I wrote not about age, not about status (another example of distortion). Once we talked about prices and I asked what you do to give you an analogy close to you. But you claimed that you are already retired. I can find links. Now it turns out that you own the firm. So what are you doing so I can use your terms.
If you bothered to look at the link that I gave, then there decisions and agendas can be printed INDEPENDENTLY. This is an example of your fantasies.
I wrote not about age, not about status (another example of distortion). Once we talked about prices and I asked what you do to give you an analogy close to you. But you claimed that you are already retired. I can find links. Now it turns out that you own the firm. So what are you doing so I can use your terms.
If you bothered to look at the link that I gave, then there decisions and agendas can be printed INDEPENDENTLY. This is an example of your fantasies.
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answered 9 years ago
I'm sorry that during the whole of our acquaintance, you could not figure out who I am. In your guesses, I was an official, a pensioner, etc. I am not a supporter of telling everyone, especially you, about my work. It really itch you to find out! Well, I found out that there is a company (I wrote about this, earlier, of course, that they created a tourism department in it to work with TO and not communicate with travel agents.) Well, you missed it in the heat of a dispute, it happens. And what? Draw analogies! By the way, being a pensioner and working in business is not forbidden, it's inconvenient, really.
Now - distortion! Your words "dreamer and manipulator", as a result of which I got - "troll, at least with one L, at least with two." It doesn't play a role, in fact it's YOU. "I wrote not about age, not status (another example of distortion )" - if you find fault with words - what is this?
And the difference between the agenda can be printed INDEPENDENTLY, and it is NEEDED to receive it officially - do you understand or not? If you don’t understand, then again verbiage on your part. And then debate, to me in a personal
Now - distortion! Your words "dreamer and manipulator", as a result of which I got - "troll, at least with one L, at least with two." It doesn't play a role, in fact it's YOU. "I wrote not about age, not status (another example of distortion )" - if you find fault with words - what is this?
And the difference between the agenda can be printed INDEPENDENTLY, and it is NEEDED to receive it officially - do you understand or not? If you don’t understand, then again verbiage on your part. And then debate, to me in a personal
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answered 9 years ago
Now it's my turn to apologize to staruha_izergil. Please unsubscribe from notifications of posts in this thread. This is the standard scenario of our communication with alex45. He writes some fantasy of his own. I am correcting him. And then the hysteria begins. "Troll", "ordinary intermediary", "I don't think that only he has the right wording and he didn't convince me of this", "Again, there is theory, but there is also practice" (he writes to me, a travel agent, about practice - funny by God), "pensioner" - "not a pensioner", "troll, at least with one L, at least with two." Doesn't play a role, etc. Well, such a person.
In the phrase "I wrote not about age, not about status (another example of distortion)" - I really made a mistake. It meant "I wrote not about age, but about status (another example of distortion)"
I do not think that alex45 did not understand this. But for him, this is a reason to get pissed off.
In the phrase "I wrote not about age, not about status (another example of distortion)" - I really made a mistake. It meant "I wrote not about age, but about status (another example of distortion)"
I do not think that alex45 did not understand this. But for him, this is a reason to get pissed off.
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answered 9 years ago
And now an example of the latter distorting:
alex45 writes: "the courts often do not send their decisions to the plaintiffs and then demand payment upon request, you don't know that they often do not send"
I answer: "decisions and agendas can be printed INDEPENDENTLY."
alex45 writes: "And the difference between the agenda can be printed INDEPENDENTLY, and it is NEEDED to receive it officially - do you understand or not?"
Although I have not written anywhere that it is not necessary to send and receive subpoenas. This is a mandatory step in the process. I wrote "POSSIBLE". Do you feel the difference?
This is the level of discussion. The question was about court decisions with a travel ban (so that there were no such problems as a good friend alex45 had). And I showed that there are no secrets in such decisions. Everything is available. Let's hope this gets sorted out.
alex45 writes: "the courts often do not send their decisions to the plaintiffs and then demand payment upon request, you don't know that they often do not send"
I answer: "decisions and agendas can be printed INDEPENDENTLY."
alex45 writes: "And the difference between the agenda can be printed INDEPENDENTLY, and it is NEEDED to receive it officially - do you understand or not?"
Although I have not written anywhere that it is not necessary to send and receive subpoenas. This is a mandatory step in the process. I wrote "POSSIBLE". Do you feel the difference?
This is the level of discussion. The question was about court decisions with a travel ban (so that there were no such problems as a good friend alex45 had). And I showed that there are no secrets in such decisions. Everything is available. Let's hope this gets sorted out.
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