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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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I think that everything related to this global problem should be discussed in one place. I suggest that it be here.
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answered 4 years ago
It is better to open a topic on the forum. The category of questions and answers is still slightly intended for something else.
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I thought about it, but decided that directly or indirectly everything would be spinning .... near virologists and not political scientists)))
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Well, not quite stopped... we can explore the unexplored corners of our apartments.
and his soul. and relatives)))
why not tourism?
and his soul. and relatives)))
why not tourism?
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dima_80, Do you know who an optimist is?? This is a poorly informed pessimist)) So take on the role of an optimist, only an informed one. Tell us what your optimism is based on. If only in the victory over Nazi Germany ... then it’s somehow not enough. But if about the experience of China, Singapore and Japan, then it will be interesting and inspire optimism))
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It inspires a little optimism only for residents of the countries of the ex-USSR + some socialist countries, which they took into the study how the BCG vaccination against the new coronavirus affects. Only on the territory of the former USSR, this vaccination was regular and massive, unlike other countries.
In Germany, just there there are statistics that in the territory of the former GDR, mortality and morbidity are lower than in western Germany
In Germany, just there there are statistics that in the territory of the former GDR, mortality and morbidity are lower than in western Germany
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I read an interesting post about BCG today. A journalist living in Prague and writing under the pseudonym Ostap Karmodi writes this:
"we have areas in Germany (north) where there are very few cases and there are areas in the GDR where there are a lot of them (south)
Plus, we have Switzerland, where there was no BCG, and everything is very clearly distributed among the cantons - there are almost no epidemics in the German-speaking countries, a strong epidemic in the French-speaking ones, and it’s generally fucked up in Tichina.
Plus, there is Austria, where there was no BCG, but the situation is virtually identical to the Czech Republic, where BCG was.
Plus there is Wuhan, where BCG was, but at the same time, complete fucked up happened.
Plus, there is Russia, where there was also BCG, and everything looks like the situation will soon be no better than the French one.
Plus, there is Finland without BCG, where the situation is many times better than neighboring Sweden, also without BCG.
Etc. etc. You can list for a long time. Too many exceptions.
, well, coup de grace - the card is lying, in Britain BCG was mandatory until 2005
"we have areas in Germany (north) where there are very few cases and there are areas in the GDR where there are a lot of them (south)
Plus, we have Switzerland, where there was no BCG, and everything is very clearly distributed among the cantons - there are almost no epidemics in the German-speaking countries, a strong epidemic in the French-speaking ones, and it’s generally fucked up in Tichina.
Plus, there is Austria, where there was no BCG, but the situation is virtually identical to the Czech Republic, where BCG was.
Plus there is Wuhan, where BCG was, but at the same time, complete fucked up happened.
Plus, there is Russia, where there was also BCG, and everything looks like the situation will soon be no better than the French one.
Plus, there is Finland without BCG, where the situation is many times better than neighboring Sweden, also without BCG.
Etc. etc. You can list for a long time. Too many exceptions.
, well, coup de grace - the card is lying, in Britain BCG was mandatory until 2005
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We are waiting for a vaccine. The first will be received by residents of the United States, we only get light from India, but not before winter .....
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And, in general, I would be careful with any optimism.
The closer we get to an uncontrolled increase in the incidence, the worse the news.
At first they said that only old Asians get sick, then that, in principle, Asians, then that only very old and sick people, then just old and just sick of middle age, then that, it seems, everyone gets sick, except for children, then - except children up to 9 years old. Now the news is that people in all age groups are getting sick, including seriously, both men and women of middle and young age are also dying, and even without chronic diseases. And there are already child deaths.
I see a few posts above one "optimist", who here until the last wrote messages: "Go, it's safe there."
The closer we get to an uncontrolled increase in the incidence, the worse the news.
At first they said that only old Asians get sick, then that, in principle, Asians, then that only very old and sick people, then just old and just sick of middle age, then that, it seems, everyone gets sick, except for children, then - except children up to 9 years old. Now the news is that people in all age groups are getting sick, including seriously, both men and women of middle and young age are also dying, and even without chronic diseases. And there are already child deaths.
I see a few posts above one "optimist", who here until the last wrote messages: "Go, it's safe there."
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We can focus on the articles of journalists and other "new" specialists, but the fact that this vaccine was taken into the study by leading epidemiologists and scientists remains. So there is a reason why the BCG vaccine is taken into the study
Only one former large country carried out not only mass, but also regular BCG vaccination. Judging by WHO data, in China it was massive for certain populations and not in all regions of China, but this vaccination was not regular.
Only one former large country carried out not only mass, but also regular BCG vaccination. Judging by WHO data, in China it was massive for certain populations and not in all regions of China, but this vaccination was not regular.
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But in general, does anyone have real acquaintances (not from the Internet), who has been diagnosed with a disease or is there a suspicion?
I don’t have one myself (ttt) and I hope that I won’t
relatives have acquaintances:
one (Russia) - a colleague at work fell ill, an official diagnosis has already been made, severe
second (Germany) - neighbor, aged 55, deceased
I don’t have one myself (ttt) and I hope that I won’t
relatives have acquaintances:
one (Russia) - a colleague at work fell ill, an official diagnosis has already been made, severe
second (Germany) - neighbor, aged 55, deceased
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Judging by the fact that we are reluctant to hospitalize really sick people with a severe course of the disease, then in such conditions, naturally, the mortality rate will be high in both children and adults ..... In reality, nothing helps people at the stage of hospitalization (including IVL with ECMO) or will no longer help, as the moment has been lost. Well, the most important factor is the cost of treatment. Lack of funding for hospitals and money from the patients themselves ... the outcome is clear. Therefore, I know financially secure people who have equipped a ward at home with devices and everything else. To my question that there should also be a doctor for this, the answer is that I have already agreed, people know how much they will receive if I need their help and they immediately leave the clinic. Something like this....
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At the expense of those who are sick .... a sister in Berlin (although she is a dentist, but now they have all been activated there as doctors. She says that it is difficult for her to compare with previous years, but people are dying. Everyone who died is either very old or a bunch of sores , or one sore, but serious and as a result, there is an aggravation against the background of the coronavirus and death occurs more often from the main sore, but since there was an infection with a corona, they write that they knew how to do it from it. girlfriend doctor Italy. People have added hysteria, heart moments have become more frequent, they bring a granny and she has a tantrum. Yes, there is an infection, but she died because she started to get hysterical, they began to inject sedatives, and then her heart began to play pranks .... coronavirus diagnosis In Spain, acquaintances say that they are sitting at home, it’s impossible to go anywhere just like that .... but all of the acquaintances are alive and well.
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My university classmate lives in Varese, northern Italy, her family and her Italian husband's family were not sick, her close friends who live in Italy were not sick. Yes, she heard that friends of friends got sick
At a relative in Los Angeles, everyone is also healthy, family, friends, acquaintances of acquaintances also do not get sick
In Turkey, a friend left viral Istanbul and decided to sunbathe and relax on the island of Kunda. In Turkey, none of the friends and acquaintances and their families got sick.
At a relative in Los Angeles, everyone is also healthy, family, friends, acquaintances of acquaintances also do not get sick
In Turkey, a friend left viral Istanbul and decided to sunbathe and relax on the island of Kunda. In Turkey, none of the friends and acquaintances and their families got sick.
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we had 20 people taken out of the wagon-town at a former job - they flew with a person who was really sick. Now they are in quarantine, locked in the hospital. whether any of them fell ill, I don’t know - there is no information.
another big boss died and his entourage was observed ... I think it’s not just
another big boss died and his entourage was observed ... I think it’s not just
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In Kiev, there is a list of houses with recorded cases. https://vesti.ua/people/gde-v-kieve-zafiksirovan-covid-19-vesti-publikuyut-ulitsy-i-nomer a-domov Our house is on the list. A 36-year-old neighbor was in intensive care for 11 days, already at home. The son did not get sick. 2 more neighbors are ill, treated at home. The hallways are constantly being disinfected. I visited this apartment only once, equipped as an astronaut. Among my acquaintances with symptoms, many had been ill even before quarantine
About "not taken to the hospital." There is not enough for all the boxes anywhere. In Italy, this is how it began, they took everyone to hospitals in a row, mass infection, deaths of people with other diagnoses ... and away we go
About "not taken to the hospital." There is not enough for all the boxes anywhere. In Italy, this is how it began, they took everyone to hospitals in a row, mass infection, deaths of people with other diagnoses ... and away we go
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I do not believe in tourism in the foreseeable future. And not only because of the virus, although it provoked the speed of the fall of everyone and everything. Soon everyone will be concerned only with the problem of survival. Who's keeping the business going well if at zero. Who attempts to exist on lack of money. And I still do not believe in the opening of borders (a year for sure)
Outraged by all sorts of bookings, air carriers and TO, selling hotels, tickets, tours to nowhere. Shearing the last batch of "optimists"
Outraged by all sorts of bookings, air carriers and TO, selling hotels, tickets, tours to nowhere. Shearing the last batch of "optimists"
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camomille, yes, in Israel it is. 60% of all infected are orthodox. They live their lives, they are not up to the crown). Recently, very serious measures have been taken, a lot of police, army. Exit from the apartments within a radius of 100 m. From Sunday, the wearing of masks is mandatory. Let me remind you that the mask prevents you from infecting others, but does not get infected. Therefore, today a person without a mask is a potential spreader of the virus.
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klichko, I agree, TO is a separate "song". I have been sending out ITMS for 12 years, so now they also continue to bombard with offers of tours in absolutely all directions, there are definitely hundreds of messages a day. It seems that the workers of the tourist industry are in some other reality.
But about survival, etc.... history tells us that all catastrophes, great depressions, wars, epidemics are replaced by a period of prosperity, a maximum thirst for pleasure, refined art :) And the world does not change, people remain the same well, no conclusions are drawn.
But about survival, etc.... history tells us that all catastrophes, great depressions, wars, epidemics are replaced by a period of prosperity, a maximum thirst for pleasure, refined art :) And the world does not change, people remain the same well, no conclusions are drawn.
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Judging by the fact that in the next branch TA is stubbornly trying to rip off the remaining 50% of the payment for the tour from May 8 from the unfortunate tourists, knowing that the trip will certainly not take place, and even without a twinge of conscience threatening to sue for non-payment, we can conclude that the managers have already put an end to their work in this agency. Now their task is to provide themselves for the near future at the expense of such "suckers". Something tells me that the money of such victims is unlikely to be transferred anywhere at all.
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It seems that the workers of the tourist industry are in some other reality.
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I would call it desperation.
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I would call it desperation.
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believers also organized an outbreak in the Dnieper for us. half of the cases in the region are students of some religious school
believers also organized an outbreak in the Dnieper for us. half of the cases in the region are students of some religious school
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Yeah. Gentlemen, travel experts, you sometimes drive such a blizzard about tourism. At least try to speak so categorically about a topic that is not specific to you.
Listen to the virologist's interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMDEvv4gyw&t=430s
First, she is an expert. Secondly, she is not under the impression of contact emotions, which even infectious disease specialists now suffer from.
It's like being a teller at a bank. He dispassionately considers other people's money in the cash register in tens of thousands, and his own in the store - like an ordinary person - in tens. And it is right. We should treat this like a cashier at the checkout. Nothing super out of the ordinary is going on. If it were not for the low throughput in hospitals, then even quarantine would not have needed to be. In Kyiv, there are now under 300 infected. With the flu, even schools would not be closed.
Listen to the virologist's interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMDEvv4gyw&t=430s
First, she is an expert. Secondly, she is not under the impression of contact emotions, which even infectious disease specialists now suffer from.
It's like being a teller at a bank. He dispassionately considers other people's money in the cash register in tens of thousands, and his own in the store - like an ordinary person - in tens. And it is right. We should treat this like a cashier at the checkout. Nothing super out of the ordinary is going on. If it were not for the low throughput in hospitals, then even quarantine would not have needed to be. In Kyiv, there are now under 300 infected. With the flu, even schools would not be closed.
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Pachok, of course, will be a meteoric rise. The question of the depth and duration of the crisis, the cat is just beginning. This one can take years. Of course, people don't change, circumstances change. Everyone will have to forget the usual way of life
prosto2000, I listen to this optimist instead of a bedtime story. The difference between covid and the usual viruses is not only in aggressiveness, but in dosage. If you get a few viral particles, you will get a mild illness ... and vice versa. Hence the highest mortality among honey. personnel. Active young people are also at risk, and with a large dose, the body may not be able to cope. The elderly are a different story, they “swallow” the virus more easily than others, it has mutated to “beneficial” for the respiratory tract. The only salvation from this infection is the minimization of contacts and means of protection. Lucky for those who grab a small dose and develop immunity ... if there are no re-infections (the virus mutates)
prosto2000, I listen to this optimist instead of a bedtime story. The difference between covid and the usual viruses is not only in aggressiveness, but in dosage. If you get a few viral particles, you will get a mild illness ... and vice versa. Hence the highest mortality among honey. personnel. Active young people are also at risk, and with a large dose, the body may not be able to cope. The elderly are a different story, they “swallow” the virus more easily than others, it has mutated to “beneficial” for the respiratory tract. The only salvation from this infection is the minimization of contacts and means of protection. Lucky for those who grab a small dose and develop immunity ... if there are no re-infections (the virus mutates)
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prosto2000, thanks for the lecture)) I listened to the whole thing ... since there is enough time now)). About tourism, I think you are trying to disperse the blizzard. But only time will tell who was right, those who drove or those who overclocked). But I completely agree about the low throughput of hospitals and its connection with quarantines. The number 300 does not mean anything, since you did not say how many checks were carried out!!! Maybe 300 and carried out? Now, if you say that today 5,000 checks were carried out, of which 100 were positive results ... the picture will become clearer and more optimistic. We have little understanding of what the specialist says, but we see what is happening in the world and let's not turn a blind eye to this without panic. For the first time the world stopped air communications between countries, for the first time heads of state hold meetings via videoconferencing ... And all this for the first time suggests that virologists. (Even those who write books and not those doctors who read them on YouTube) Little is known about the virus...
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prosto2000 it's amazing that someone else is at the stage of denial :) Most of them went through it three weeks ago, got a little angry at the missing tours and smoothly moved into the stage of bargaining, arguing that "most likely, I had already been ill in the fall (in winter, in March - substitute the necessary)".
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