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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар Apyatka
Let's simulate another situation. A patient with polytrauma (accident or fell from a roof, it doesn't matter). He has an artificial heart valve and he takes anticoagulants, so his blood clotting is reduced. Massive bleeding led to death. What do you think is the cause of death?
аватар Vika284
So Crohn's disease provoked an aggravation of the patient's severity, and this will also be considered death from complications from the operation.
If a person has a heart attack and for some unknown reason he fell ill with leptospirosis, which will provoke complications, cause myocarditis and then a second heart attack. Heart attack complicated by the consequences of leptospirosis
Therefore, there are such statistics. Because covid can be an indirect cause and a major cause of disease severity or death
аватар Apyatka
Well, there are such statistics. What do you want from me?
аватар Vika284
The severity of damage and vital organs in polytrauma
аватар Apyatka
If a person has a heart attack and for some unknown reason he fell ill with leptospirosis, which will provoke complications, cause myocarditis and then a second heart attack. Heart attack complicated by the consequences of leptospirosis
Here, too, there may be nuances.
The person has a heart attack. He was treated for a heart attack and recovered (a heart attack is an acute illness) and lives on with Coronary Heart Disease. Suddenly, he fell ill with leptospirosis (this is an infection) Leptospira struck the heart, myocarditis arose. Definitely, the heart attack is not to blame for the death, it is already in the anamnesis. There was another heart attack. But a heart attack is a complication of coronary artery disease, not myocarditis. Therefore, a heart attack will be more important) Leptospirosis will become a concomitant disease in the death certificate.
аватар Vika284
The options are different, you considered that the person was cured, my version is that the person was hospitalized with a heart attack and there is already leptospirosis
all this is correct, just the same with coronavirus, many options
There is where the main cause of the coronavirus, there is where one of the main reasons, there is where the coronavirus was an indirect cause and there is that the coronavirus was but did not have a significant and indirect effect
аватар Apyatka
"My version is that a person went to the hospital with a heart attack and there is already leptospirosis" - this is from the realm of fantasy. In what kind of hospitals are leptospirosis distributed?) I think that there has never been such a case in the world. Although, it can be assumed that a person fell ill with leptospirosis and at the same time had a heart attack. It will depend on the severity of one or the other, of course.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Apyatka, I have no complaints or any negative things about you at all.
It's just that I, as an ordinary person who has no direct relation to medicine, would like to understand why this is so.
And since I consider myself not a stupid person and I can analyze different sources of information (reliable), that’s why I cited official statistics so as not to refer to unverified sources (as some believe and refer to fake resources)
Even after your professional posts, I still don’t understand the logic of our quarantine.
How everything started well with the observation of the first passengers from Wuhan and how it all ended with a massive return of migrant workers (and this is not hundreds, but 10 thousand) and tourists without any proper checks and quarantine. In principle, as in everything with us.
But all the same, by September everything will return to a more or less normal regime (flights, etc.), unless they leave the mandatory mask regime in certain places, again come up with some kind of new tax and a new document.
All health.
аватар Vika284
The situation with the coronavirus, the closure of all countries for quarantine, a lot of restrictions, this also used to be from the realm of science fiction and Hollywood films
a patient with leptospirosis and a heart attack, 1-2 days before a heart attack, could relax with friends at a closed rate, lake, pond and swim there with a small scratch on the body. Also, while he was in the hospital and his relatives/friends could bring a parcel with homemade milk bought at the spontaneous market or the negligence of the hospital staff.
due to the high mortality of those who are connected to ventilators, how these devices themselves (not tubes and masks) are processed, whether our surfaces and the wards themselves are checked for the super fungus candida auris. In other countries, is there enough time to check if the ventilators themselves are in short supply.
аватар dusik1981
Thank you all for your comments, I'm stumped. What kind of oath to talk about, this is not an oath, I didn’t sign it, and I don’t keep it in my personal file. And bravado like “Consumor aliis inserviendo” is only on the walls in institutions where they teach those who are in white coats good, but not in reale. About posts with comparison, I never put dz only on anamnesis morbi, but I also used anamnesis vitae, and even better the epid anamnesis took then everything can be compared and excluded. Posts about ventilators and other things have read all sorts of articles and everything, in such cases for which a section has been written that will help ECMO and not the usual PHASE-2., therefore, mortality. Then, why the primary did not request pulse oximeters in the required volume, they are for those who have a suspicion of the very same level of O2, will give the opportunity to send someone to the hospital. As for surface treatments in health facilities (where I have been), they are literally filled with disinfectants, and here, no offense is said to private medicine, they save on the processing of mattresses.
аватар dusik1981
Quarantine is needed only for one thing, to unload the system so that it does not fall within 10-14 days. And the fact that we turned out like this if we exclude politics, then look around what masks are worn and whether they have at least a small degree of protection (the usual 3-layer medical mask has an antimicrobial layer) and only, there is such a degree of protection, but what they themselves sewed or bought in the "basement" as an excuse, so that no one bothers, and the honey mask has a time factor. So as they say "Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". And then there will be other indicators, and not look for loopholes how and what to get around.
аватар mishatour
Apyatka, thank you for participating in the TOURIST forum. Of course, the topic is medical, but we are trying to somehow link it with tourism. Options and restrictions on the work of hotels and carriers... Europe is already discussing these issues today... Everything you say is correct and is said here on the first pages of the topic under discussion. And about quarantine, and about masks, and about medical workers... You repeat everything correctly and there is no reason to argue with you .. But something new ... can a person get infected a second time, why America and Italy .. with their advanced medicine "are on their ears", and the countries of the 3rd world ... .Lebanon, Syria, the Gaza Strip....have almost no patients...??????
аватар mishatour
Or maybe the "crown" is afraid ... a warm and dry climate ??? Minister of Health. of Israel resigned, we defeated the corona (today 20 new patients a day) but killed the economy ... People took to the streets and accuse the government of "draconian" measures in the fight against corona ..... We know very little about it’s a virus ... and we learn from mistakes ... and most often from our own. It’s not always right to adopt the experience of other countries ... everyone has a different climate, people’s mentality and economic opportunities.
Interested to hear your opinion on the above.
аватар Pachok
Of course, it can get infected a second time, why not? Coronaviruses, like influenza viruses, do not give stable immunity to those who have been ill. That's why vaccines are being developed to vaccinate people seasonally, regularly.
In America (USA) and Italy - NOT advanced public medicine.
Israel - well done, Germany too.
аватар mishatour
Regarding re-infection, there is no unequivocal answer from those who can give it). Chickenpox, a person can get sick once. I will not argue with scientific pituitary glands))
аватар Apyatka
"Apyatka, thank you for participating in the TOURIST forum." - I don't understand what you mean by that.
“Everything you say is correct and is said here on the first pages of the topic under discussion” - this topic is collected from many topics in which the coronavirus was discussed, so repetitions are possible, I did not reread all the pages.
"It is interesting to hear your opinion about all of the above" - ​​my opinion is subjective in any case, I am not an expert immunologist. And I have enough, in my opinion, devoted time to this topic on this forum. Perhaps the answers to your questions are already somewhere here. Should I repeat myself?)
Something new I can hardly tell you)
As for whether the virus is afraid of heat, you yourself know that it is not. Otherwise, countries on the equator or close to the equator would not be included in the pandemic.
Immunity in the human body is produced for any infection. But for some infections, immunity is unstable. Now we can only guess how strong immunity to coronavirus will be.
аватар Pachok
Chickenpox causes varicella zoster - this is herpes, it has nothing to do with coronaviruses, and the latter have been known for a long time, people have always been ill with them, and there was no strong immunity.
Studies have already been published on those people who had Covid-19 in January and February, the number of antibodies decreases, the further, the more. It is assumed that a large number of people who have been ill will be left without antibodies in three months.
аватар Vika284
whether additional analysis for candida auris is done in those who died from coronavirus, especially those who were on a ventilator or were in the same wards
аватар ollennka
In Egypt, from May 24 to May 30, quarantine is introduced. An Egyptian colleague spoke today. Shops, beaches, transport will be closed.
аватар moy_contakt
ollennka, but your colleague did not specify in connection with what?
аватар ollennka
my_contakt, did not specify. I'm not going to Egypt yet, so somehow it's not up to it. But today he reported from the office, as usual, that is, restrictions have not yet been introduced.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
ollennka, hmm, my friends wrote to me that it has been quarantined for a long time, but now they have tightened up and introduced a curfew.
аватар ollennka
I don't know, they still work for now. Each time a colleague calmly gets in touch from the office, people are also hanging around behind his back.
аватар camomille
They tightened the quarantine in Egypt during some holiday in order to reduce the activity of the people and thereby minimize the possibility of infection. I read about it on the news yesterday.
аватар Apyatka
And I'm flying to Vietnam) True, not now, but at the end of November. But I got tickets.
аватар ollennka
Congratulations!
аватар Apyatka
ollennka
Thanks! For medical action. Now the covid should definitely end. The doctors were given tickets, they need to go on vacation)
True, the action with a big twist. It caused a lot of negativity. But I got lucky.
аватар Slav_na
and I'm sitting at home
and as long as i like it
аватар moy_contakt
Apyatka, is it for work, or was an action announced (I don’t remember from which air carrier) for doctors, such as tickets in any direction for 2 at the expense of the company?
аватар Apyatka
Apyatka, is it for work, or was an action announced (I don’t remember from which air carrier) for doctors, such as tickets in any direction for 2 at the expense of the company?
It was the Qataris who handed out almost free tickets to doctors - a doctor plus a friend. Not exactly in any direction. Look for auction tickets. But very many of those who applied did not receive anything but negative. Conditions changed right in the process
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