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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар moy_contakt
I also think that in July we will already fly, but remembering how it began ...... China in December began to talk about the sore .... in March we closed. We also talk about the second wave ..... If we are again put on re-quarantine .... it will be tough .....
аватар camomille
Now, on Instagram, Join Up is contacting representatives of Turkish hotel chains live on the air and they tell how the rest will be
аватар camomille
according to the Turks: Ukraine will be one of the first countries to fly to Turkey. Russia, South Caucasus and other countries, where there are many sick people, will be held back, although earlier it was expected that the Britons would arrive on June 16th.
Oll stays. The rooms will have first aid kits with gloves and masks. After each person, they are going to disinfect sun loungers. Zoning of the territory to maintain social distance.
аватар camomille
the access of vacationers to products will be limited. disposable devices available.
expect opening 1/07. there are no final rules for the operation of hotels yet. everything is in discussion mode.
аватар moy_contakt
Yes, I have already seen such options in Turkey and Egypt, and they didn’t say anything new except that the hotels were cleaned and were waiting for tourists. Tk many moments are still in the process. e.g. masks. In theory, if you sunbathe or swim, then without a mask, but the rest of the time in a mask .... wonderful of course. Turkish hotels will process tourists with suitcases from and to, and it is forbidden to leave the hotel during the rest. and a lot of that
аватар camomille
are going to quartz numbers, swimming pools will work. mini-clubs, gyms, etc. will work, but will impose restrictions on the number of people.
what will happen to covid passports, testing, etc. - they don't know yet. but, they expect that tourists will fly to Turkey with certificates.
аватар Apyatka
There are already masks that open when you bring a spoon to your mouth)
аватар Igor_m
Should the spoon be full or empty? And if the "window" breaks after closing? Funny...
For sixteen years I have been taking out all insurance in one company, with the same agent. A week ago I did an auto-citizen, and inadvertently asked about medical insurance for foreign countries. Anything, even from a meteorite fall and infection with any disease from an alien, but not a coronavirus. Will hotels accept without COVID insurance, what happens if a tourist in a hotel catches this infection? Who will answer if, as a result, the rested person dies or, at best, infects a dozen or two people? Not funny !
аватар camomille
Europe has introduced new safety rules for aviation: how air travel will change
https://www.avianews.com/world/2020/05/21/easa_aviation_health_safety_protocol_key_points/
аватар camomille
"I'll try to find a video"
already seen this video. from the authors of the crucified boy :)))
аватар Vika284
"it is forbidden to go outside the hotel while relaxing" I constantly look at Turkish news, there is no such rule
Everything else is in the news and hotel news: beach areas, masks, 24-hour check-in break between guests, suitcases
about fitness clubs and spas in hotels are now banned, but will be reviewed
They will also measure the temperature every day and there will be separate quarantine rooms in hotels for those guests who are under suspicion.
Beach areas will be allocated and fixed for each family or company or 1 person
аватар Vika284
An express test point will be organized for tourists upon arrival at the airport
аватар Vika284
in the same Turkish news, I read that in Dubai, the Emirates airline conducts blood tests for all passengers before boarding and the results are available within 10 minutes
аватар moy_contakt
As for the fact that they won’t let them out of the hotels, I watched an interview with a hotel representative (one of the cool ones, I don’t remember the name anymore, because I’ve already seen a dozen of such videos) and so she said that the hotel would be a clean area, a tourist passing through the hotel would undergo special processing. And under such conditions, when a tourist is inside, even if it happens that someone gets into an asymptomatic stage and gets sick, then such an option will make it possible to quickly eliminate the outbreak and all contacts. They definitely want to establish such measures for July-August, and then according to the situation.
аватар Vika284
Perhaps these are internal rules that will be established by the individual hotels themselves, this is real for hotels with a large territory and a wide internal infrastructure
And if the hotel does not have a territory or a mini territory, or you need to walk to the hotel’s beach, or the hotel does not have a beach, if the hotel’s buildings are located across the road, and if the hotel does not have all .....
After all, apart hotels, boarding houses, boutique hotels will be the first to open. Most apart hotels have no territory at all and no beach
аватар Apyatka
Express tests do not show up to 7 days of illness. So, they are, one might say, meaningless in this situation.
аватар moy_contakt
Apyatka, except that express tests may not show the disease at all, but they can also give a false positive result. And this is stressful. The accuracy of these tests is not very encouraging.
аватар ira.novo2000
There is no denying that there is a virus. There are severe pneumonia. Another point is that they were all in winter. And in winter this often happened and the incidence rate this year is not higher than in previous years.
The epidemic - I am a doctor and this is my professional opinion - is absolutely political. There are worse diseases and the incidence is higher, but without advertising in the media, they always proceeded smoothly and without excessive panic. And most importantly, without stopping the economy and public life.
About analyses. They are, as they do now, useless and do not prove anything.
Well, they found antibodies or fragments of the virus ... So what?
The virus is 50 years old. Antibodies can be old, fragments of the virus too.
The antibody titer is not determined - only an increase in antibody titer proves that the disease is fresh.
аватар Sergey_7979
Has anyone asked this question:
suppose air travel will be opened with the EU, but will it be necessary to undergo a 14-day self-isolation (observation) after returning to Ukraine?
Taking into account the fact that the length of a standard trip to Europe is up to 14 days, then spending the same amount at home for a person - not every company will agree to this, even if a person will be in self-isolation for these 14 days at his own expense
аватар Slav_na
my_contact,
a false positive is, to put it mildly, unpleasant for the patient, but a false negative ....
аватар dusik1981
If we talk about what we have today, then after arriving from another country, a citizen of Ukraine will have to undergo a 14-day self-isolation.
Many tour operators say that this year the flow of foreign tourism will decrease, one of the factors is that you need to go through self-isolation.
In general, everyone will choose for himself whether he needs to go abroad this year, if the conditions do not change, or he will go to the Ukrainian sea with Ukrainian service at European prices, because it is no secret to anyone that a normal vacation on the sea coast in Ukraine will cost from 500 dollars per person, for 7 days.
аватар Vika284
"a normal vacation on the sea coast in Ukraine will start from $ 500 per person, for 7 days" so the previous years cost about $ 500 somewhere in Zatoka or Odessa, if we understand correctly a normal hotel corresponding to the concept of normal, and not a temporary hut with amenities on the street
Several times we calculated a vacation in Zatoka in a normal hotel (not vip or lux) in July-August, a hotel with breakfast + train tickets + transfer from the station to the hotel and back + food. These are hotels with min animation for children or no animation at all, of course, plus the cost of some kind of entertainment.
аватар Apyatka
"snippets of the virus .."
Are you sure a doctor?) What kind of scraps do you mean? RNA?)
"Antibodies may be old"
"Virus 50"
Which specific virus is 50 years old and what "old" antibodies can detect tests designed for a completely new SARS-CoV-2 virus?) It even sounds interesting) Especially if we are looking for M.
Tests are basically imperfect, that's true. Even if you do not take into account this particular virus. There are no tests that show 100% truth. Unfortunately.
But there is also the question of how applicable these tests are to a particular situation (a person has arrived on vacation). This is from the area of ​​​​measuring the temperature at the entrance to the supermarket or the general wearing of gloves. More of a psychological measure than an effective one. In the human body, antibodies M will be produced on the 7th day of illness, antibodies G - on 14-20. That is, for 7 days a sick person infects everyone around.
As for the political epidemic, I will not even comment.
аватар Apyatka
my_contact,
a false positive is, to put it mildly, unpleasant for the patient, but a false negative ....
Typically, tests are calibrated so that they can give either a false positive or a false negative result. So that it does not happen there and there. We will then be told what their results are, in which direction)
But even if they are very, very accurate, they are still meaningless for quick diagnosis in the case of sorting into sick and healthy. There should be a PCR test, but it's not fast.
And especially if they buy tests for total antibodies, there will be fun in general. Those who have already been ill can be identified as sick.
Probably, I will do a test for G antibodies before departure, so that in the case of such a quick test (if it is positive), I will have proof that I already have G antibodies.
аватар Vika284
"proof that I already have G antibodies" and are you sure that you can prove it, or will they take your certificate of evidence, will there be instructions for additional certificates and certificates and from which medical institutions this certificate will need to be taken, what tests will be - now it nobody knows
Countries are now planning to do tests at the airport, for departure or arrival in different ways. But in fact, in Turkey, Austria, the UAE .... there are their own chief medical officers (maybe similar in different countries) and groups of doctors and scientists who are seriously dealing with this problem and give recommendations on the development of rules, the recommendation for test analyzes at airports is not invented from the ceiling "well, let's try it, but there will be no effect"
аватар Sergey_7979
I think that if, after the opening of air links with Europe, a two-week self-isolation after returning to Ukraine remains, then literally a few people will go on vacation abroad. And airlines and TO will suffer new losses
In my subjective opinion, self-isolation with open air traffic should be canceled
аватар Igor_m
"In my subjective opinion, self-isolation with open air traffic should be canceled"
and to ban the coronavirus, and, in general, treat it positively - put ....
аватар Pachok
Be sure - they will trample in crowds, no self-isolation will stop. Moreover, it is solely on the conscience of travelers. Stop only a serious rise in price of flights and hotels.
аватар Apyatka
and you are sure that you can prove, or they will take your certificate with evidence,
I'm not even sure yet that I have them, these antibodies))
аватар Pachok
Countries are gradually doing random mass tests, the results are not as expected. France, Spain - about 5% have antibodies, Czech Republic, Denmark - about 1%, if I'm not mistaken. All these “I’ve definitely already been ill” are just a self-comforting mantra.
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