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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар ira.novo2000
As for chlorine - everything should be in moderation. When it is cleaning by competent personnel with a normal concentration of a solution, with ventilation, then everything is clear. In our country, morally lowered stupid personalities fill the entrances with 3% bleach with windows that do not open, puddles are poured directly. Little of. that concrete fenders will come so quickly. I also remind you that in the lungs, when breathing chlorine vapor, the same acid is formed that digests food in our stomach
аватар ira.novo2000
It was not a problem that stopped tourism and the economy all over the world, but general deceit and fear. This virus is no worse than the usual freshly mutated flu.
аватар dusik1981
And where does such "smart knowledge" about bleach come from. To begin with, they would understand that a mother liquor is being prepared and a treatment solution from it, and then after the mother liquor has stood, and only the mother liquor or dry bleach with a concentration of 33.5% active chlorine is harmful when inhaled, and everything else and concrete will also be faucets as in normal washing with soap and water. In general, if it was not a doctor who wrote, then "And - God save you - do not read Soviet newspapers before lunch" (c), and if a doctor then you need to drive him with a broom from a medical facility, with him the VBI will not be a month or two, you can see him badly taught.
аватар nataha33
I want to share my impressions of my today's trip to the Kiev regional clinic.
Had to go there today. In line, despite the record, I sat for half an hour. During this time, I managed to see enough of our doctors. There is NOT A SINGLE masked doctor in the corridors! The manager ran back and forth without a mask at all. The rest of the doctors and nurses are wearing masks around their necks. My family doctor, to her credit, was wearing a mask in the office.
And now tell me, please, what kind of observance of the mask regime can be required from ordinary people, if the doctors themselves didn’t give a damn about it ?!
аватар dusik1981
So the mask does not save those that are now available, but there is a problem with medical masks in the country, so doctors don’t put on “muzzles”, think for yourself how many medical masks are needed for one clinic, given the number of staff and the frequency of changing masks. That's all. Everyone already knew about this issue on the dates of March 19-20, but people love "videos" and they believe them))
аватар ira.novo2000
dusik1981, I'm writing about inhalation.
And the concrete is cracked from the liquid that is left to stand in puddles. You do not know that there is iron reinforcement in the concrete inside? And you know that when iron rusts, it tears concrete. And corrosion is enhanced by the same perchloric acid, therefore, when exposed to bleach, it is more harmful than water. And how do you think bleach decomposes the DNA and RNA of the virus? State the versions - I will read with pleasure
аватар Slav_na
Kyiv. In humans (I'll call AH) 38.2. Calls the family doctor. Answer: drink paracetamol, call back tomorrow.
Calls tomorrow. Answer: here is the laboratory phone number, call!
Calls the lab. Answer: let your relative who does not live with you come, pay 2tyg, we will tell him how to do the test, he will take it and bring it to us. The result will come to your mail in 3-5 days.
... what is this????
аватар dusik1981
YaSlavnaYa THIS is the notorious "300%", finally it dawned on people that it's not good to "cover the navel for free"
аватар Lilu..10
Horror!!!
аватар dusik1981
ira.novo2000 First, get acquainted with Chemistry, what happens when bleach is combined with water, then HClO4 is soluble in what "learn the mother part".
About reinforcement, it is also subject to corrosion if the shell is destroyed, i.e. concrete and water with soap and other detergent properties, if you were to study the analyte. the chemistry you said.
Regarding viruses, once again teach the "mother part", that is, microbiology, virology, and of course dezdelro.
In general, good luck in web))
аватар Slav_na
dusik1981,
that is, if there are no relatives in the city and 2tyg - can you start crawling towards the rural churchyard (they will definitely not let you into the city)?
аватар Minor
YaSlavnaYa, first you need to leave a claim with a description of the situation on the hotline of the Ministry of Health. They react-checked already.
аватар Pachok
No. Just a family doctor decided to earn a percentage of the laboratory.
In Kyiv, in the Sinevo network, ELISA for IgA and IgG costs 1230 UAH, there is no hype. Anyone can submit. You can donate only one Ig, the cost is 600 UAH. plus 30 hryvnia material fence.
In "Dila" they do PCR for 1800 UAH, including calling my sister (!) to the house.
аватар Pachok
And what about the MOH? The high temperature now, according to all their instructions, is not a reason to visit the patient at home and not a reason to send him for analysis. If it’s not just a high temperature, then the doctor still doesn’t come, you need to call an ambulance ..
аватар Minor
Pachok, i.e. You don't see a problem in the fact that "Answer: let your relative who does not live with you come, pay 2tyg, we will tell him how to do the test, he will take it and bring it to us"? But what about the statements of the Ministry of Health that only specialists should do tests? If we do not respond to such answers from laboratories, we will soon do everything ourselves, and they will only be paid for advice ...
аватар Pachok
I'd like to hear the name of the lab first. We only have "someone said something to someone." Search for such a service in Kiev - I wrote above what it gives. The state should do it free of charge and according to the direction. No one will be scorched, especially on the phone.
аватар Apyatka
"Greece has established special rules for flights from " dangerous cities ", the list of which includes Kyiv - passengers from there must take tests, and even if they are negative - they will have to undergo seven days of self-isolation. "
In general, the article is interesting who did not pour
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/articles/2020/06/9/7110847/
аватар Apyatka
Now making tests for covid is more expensive for laboratories. A bunch of conditions, documents and total dissatisfaction of patients.
аватар ziskin
It has already gone infa that only those from the "red zone" countries, where the situation with COVID is worse than ours, will be sent to self-isolation after returning, I wonder where Turkey will be?
аватар nataha33
In Ukraine, they plan to divide foreigners and tourists who arrive from abroad into two groups: those who arrived from the red zone, and those who arrived from the green zone. Citizens from the green zone will be able to move around Ukraine without observing a 14-day self-isolation or observation. This was stated by Minister of Health Maksym Stepanov during a briefing, which was broadcast on the air of 112 Ukraine.
As you know, the green zone is countries in which the epidemiological situation associated with coronavirus is the same as in Ukraine or better; red zone - countries where the epidemiological situation is worse than in Ukraine.
“Now we are considering options for arrival so that we have a red and green zone. As for the red zone, we believe that they should be either in self-isolation or under observation for 14 days. People from the green zone will not need to stay in self-isolation. All this in compliance with other anti-epidemiological measures that we have established," Maxim Stepanov said
аватар Igor_m
I didn’t think about leaving my hometown this year, but yesterday I “freaked out” - I booked a two-story house in Polyana for 35 days with three bedrooms and three bathrooms - 1200 UAH / day excursions - Lumshory, Voevodino, Karpaty (village), Chinadievo, Mukachevo, Uzhgorod, we take biometric passports to drive to Kosice for a day or overnight in Budapest, plus mountains, rivers and valleys. Everything is fine, it would seem, but a couple of minutes ago I found this: https://www.unn.com.ua/uk/news/1874104-vidsogodni-zmineno-pravila-vyizdu-do-slovachchini, which suggests a span past Slovakia, and at the same time all other countries (it seems to me), because my mind does not perceive the conditions of the trip "there".
аватар ira.novo2000
dusik1981, if the screed is fresh on concrete, then yes, but we don’t have new houses with practically well-groomed concrete - it’s all in micro and macro cracks.
And chlorine combines with carbon dioxide in the air and chlorine gas is released - maybe you need to study this? And already chlorine gas reacts with water in the lungs
Plus, bleach loses chlorine for years - about 5% per year, not quickly, as you would like, and it is in the form of active chlorine gas.
Plus, lime itself reacts with water locally on concrete and any wet surface (and this is always moisture, because it is disinfected with a solution) to form hypochlorous acid
аватар Slav_na
Minor,
for the tip - thanks! now let's do it
аватар Pachok
Igor_m and where did you order it, if it's not a secret? A house in the village or in a hotel suite? Air conditioners? Thanks in advance!
аватар dusik1981
YaSlavnaYa, of course, let him die, because a person should not be hunchbacked for 4 thousand, if he was promised 12 thousand. And everything else does not concern the tour of the forum.
аватар dusik1981
ira.novo2000, well, you decide to start with the conditions of either perchloric acid or active chlorine. Then do not forget how to use, remember what is written in the method instructions, even if you take 250 ml per m2 to the maximum, then nothing will happen. Well, the losses will be from the conditions of storage, transportation, etc. And about that, I’ll probably go to study for another 5 years, or I’ll teach for 5 years)))
And further in the text chapter 7 verse 6 of the Gospel of Matthew.
аватар Pachok
Apyatka wondering how the Greeks will regulate arriving by land? And how to find out where they live. And by air - if not a flight from Kyiv, but for example, from Lviv, but residents of Kyiv flew in. It's all a bit murky so far :(
аватар Igor_m
Pachok, the whole day I "climbed" the sites (high-cost, We go Sami, booking, karpaty.info, hotell.24). I was looking for a cottage, a house without owners and neighbors within a radius of 200 m, preferably not in the village, with accessibility to attractions, shops and markets, with air conditioning and other benefits of civilization - either already occupied, or the price is twice as high as Italian, or something is missing from "goods", including the quality of the road. I chose Polyana - it is convenient to get there, a good road, the house has everything your heart desires, a kilometer to the forest. Phoned the owners, asked questions, got answers, read reviews, paid 25%, recorded the conversation. Everything is based on trust (I like to trust people, this often stimulates even thieves to be honest). Where - #we ride.
аватар Slav_na
dusik1981, thanks for the wish
аватар camomille
"two-storey house for 35 days with three bedrooms and three bathrooms - 1200 UAH / day, all six people are going"
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Yesterday I tried to find something more or less decent somewhere in Zatoka, Kirilovka, etc. for a week in early August. The price / quality ratio in comparison with the same Turkey is inadequate. I have never seen offers of such a price level (1200 UAH for a house with 3 bedrooms) (maybe I was looking in the wrong place). For this money you can rent a more or less normal room for 2, but the area around is miserable.
We decided to take a chance and bought tickets to Sicily for October. Maybe they did something stupid and threw money away, but let's hope for the best.
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