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аватар Marsyanchik
Another interesting point: for example, Sputnik is a one-time vaccine. In a year, she will no longer be able to inject herself again. That is, he received a vaccine for a period of 3-6 months, and then that's it.
аватар Marsyanchik
Again, lockdowns are being extended everywhere. Germany for another 10 weeks.
аватар dusik1981
Marsyanchik, about the Satellite, no one still knows what it is, because the third stage there was not promised for December 2021, but it's all talk. As for any antiviral vaccines, they are all essentially "disposable", but there is a plus, a new one does not need to be invented, a little change in the "recipe" and all the vaccine is ready, look at flu vaccines.
As for lockdown, it is true that the vaccinated body "adapted ", but for normal people, not for those who are lazy and wear a mask and the virus does not exist, etc.
аватар Marsyanchik
Sputnik is actively vaccinated in Moscow (many of my friends have been vaccinated). There are antibodies.
аватар nadezda2017
Marsyanchik, were they tested for antibodies before vaccination?
аватар dusik1981
Marsyanchik, regarding vaccination in Moscow, especially pensioners, ask them what they are blocked or open in case of refusal (consent) of vaccination. People post such information on various forums.
аватар Marsyanchik
As far as I know, they don't test. You just sign up through the site, go through a conversation with a doctor (formal) and get vaccinated. And then they write it down again.
аватар Marsyanchik
While there is no hype, they are pricked by everyone (in the presence of the Moscow pole of medical insurance). But that's for now. I think there will be more and more applicants every day, then there may be restrictions.
аватар Marsyanchik
As for unlocking free travel, honestly, I don’t know.
аватар dusik1981
Marsyanchik, that's what he is and how do you understand who travels a lot for various reasons of those forced to be vaccinated. You can check from open sources to have a "average for the ward " take the total number of retirees and see how the number of vaccinated changes.
аватар nadezda2017
About blocking explained that it will be valid until the cancellation of the emergency. But, if a person is vaccinated before this cancellation, then he will be unblocked. After the cancellation of the emergency, they will unblock everyone, regardless of vaccination.
аватар nadezda2017
Marsyanchik, I'm surprised that people get vaccinated without an antibody test. Maybe they've already been ill. And they don't even take a covid test? And suddenly it turns out to be positive, as it often happens. It's all kind of strange.
аватар Pachok
I have a FB friend from Krasnogorsk who has already done two doses of Sputnik. Before the first vaccination, an ELISA is mandatory, two days later the result, an examination by a therapist (without tests) and vaccination. Everything is free, but when he wrote somewhere in early December, people over 65 were not being vaccinated. After the first sausage, be healthy, the second, it seems, went smoothly, although mostly the reviews are the other way around.
I had a sharply negative attitude towards the Sputnik until I respected this comrade. There, the party is far from amateurs; his friends are mostly chemists and biologists with degrees. They agree that with all the doubts and jambs on tests - there are no deaths from Sputnik, but from the covid itself. And there is no choice either, they will not have either Pfizer or Moderna. So they choose between being vaccinated by the Sputnik and not being vaccinated at all.
аватар Marsyanchik
Excuse me, but IFA - what is it?
аватар Pachok
This is a method for determining the content of something in the blood - enzyme immunoassay.
The content of antibodies is determined by the ELISA test, it shows the amount of IgA, IgM and IgG.
аватар dusik1981
Marsyanchik, you may first need to undergo some kind of medical and biological liknep. This is how "Experts" appear. ELISA-enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay.
аватар mishatour
Pachok, and I mean that there is no choice .... Although in Australia they did without vaccinations, two sealed quarantines and today ZERO infected per day. In other countries, there is no discipline, no confidence in the measures taken by the government, so they "tumble". I got vaccinated with Pfizer a couple of days ago. The vaccination site hurt a little ... The second vaccination is more difficult to tolerate (temperature, breaking, weakness). The main thing is that all this would not be in vain .... But only time can answer this question .....
аватар Sergey_7979
Today I received a letter from UEFA regarding the Euro-2920/21 matches. Now they offer to return tickets with 100% return by January 26.
Information on the permissible degree of occupancy of the stands (10/30/50% of spectators) will be known in March-April. But then the return will not be available. If you decide that Euro 2020/2021 will be held in empty stands - all tickets will be canceled, and the money will be returned in full.
I think to surrender or not?
Given that even if a miracle happens, and Pfizer in Ukraine will be available to everyone by mid-spring (or someone bad for a fee - so no queue), it may still not be a pass to enter Europe. Attending sports competitions as a fan is still tourism, and as for tourism, the entry ban may not be lifted ...
аватар camomille
They agree that with all the doubts and jambs on testing - there are no deaths from Sputnik
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Is there open statistics, is there truthful information that can be trusted? Very doubtful...
R.S. I judge by my relatives: no matter how liberal views and high intelligence a person has, the propaganda that sounds from every iron still works.
аватар dusik1981
The question is not whether there are fatalities or not. The question is that the drug does not pass the third stage of testing, and the country of manufacture states that they say it is a vaccine with its own percentage. But this information is not available. He Chinese (no matter how I treat their vaccine) came on the third floor to the Turks, Brazilians, Indonesians, in Cambodia, if memory serves, and I'm not surprised if it occurs in North Korea, and all the data on the effectiveness of free access. . And the drug from the Russian Federation, as they say that the third stage will be in December 2021, possibly earlier than the Belarusians and Hungarians (if the Belarusians I have doubts, the Hungarians do not.) In the public domain.
аватар mishatour
Someone also orders statistics. We just need to learn how to read .. it, or rather, read between the lines ... In Russia, as always, foreign manufacturers are hayat, but it was not heard (maybe heard badly) that the Russian elite would be instilled by a "satellite". A vaccination program, priorities and sequence should be developed ... First of all, doctors, the elderly .... That is, by example, show confidence in the vaccination, and then the people will catch up).
аватар mishatour
Lord, please! Since "turpravda" is an international tourism forum, let's write in a language that everyone understands...Let's not politicize the place where everyone can express their opinion in a language that is understandable to all participants...Thank you in advance for your understanding.
аватар Pachok
Is there open statistics, is there truthful information that can be trusted? Very doubtful...
R.S. I judge by my relatives: no matter how liberal views and high intelligence a person has, the propaganda that sounds from every iron still works.
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Camomille, There are no official normal statistics, but everyone has their own personal statistics, both for the sick and, unfortunately, for the dead. Even here on the forum
I'm not going to run to look for a Sputnik, but I was interested in the opinion of these people, not even because of their high intelligence, but because they are in the subject and have critical thinking. I didn't understand about liberal views :)))
аватар Pachok
As for Australia, I'm sure they're stalling for proven vaccines and even rough vaccine results. They can afford it :) For as soon as the country is opened for entry, cases of infection will immediately appear.
аватар dusik1981
As for the "Satellite", read the answer of the "guarantor" of Russia and everything will fall into place. As for the languages ​​for the posts, when I adopted the rules, there was no mention of the mandatory language, then, I use the domain ua and the link I have question_answer_others & last_page
so why should I communicate in another language, who is interested in posts in a language he does not understand can use a translator, who is not interested can skip those posts.
аватар mishatour
dusik1981, my appeal was to people with a certain level of intelligence ... Therefore, I'm not going to bother translating your statements .... By the way, I'm not Russian either and I know a few more languages, but here I prefer to speak in a language understandable to everyone. And you continue in your spirit, I think that SOME will understand you.
аватар camomille
Pachok, well, I put it this way so as not to write about a negative attitude towards the country's leadership, politics, etc.
I have a cousin brother. On your own initiative. Well, here the psychological factor also worked - the parents fell seriously ill, and his wife is expecting a child.
аватар nadezda2017
If I had to choose, I have more trust in Sputnik. Not because it is a Russian vaccine, but more because it was created using traditional technology. But, I came across a video on the Internet, where doctors from an independent association of doctors came to Rospotrebnadzor. It is difficult to disagree with their arguments. https://youtu.be/XcireykYEFY
аватар camomille
nadezda2017
Doesn't it bother you that the quality of Russian (and Ukrainian) medicines is an order of magnitude worse than German or American ones? And how many vaccines have been developed in Russia in recent years and how many by Biotech. Here, too, the score is not in favor of Russia.
аватар nadezda2017
camomille, To be honest, a lot of things confuse me. Therefore, I am in no hurry to get vaccinated, no vaccines. True, my turn will not come soon. By that time, another virus will appear.
As they say, 2020 was hiding from the virus, 2021 from vaccinations, 2022 from those vaccinated.) These are the new realities. And someone will make big money on this.
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