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All about the problem that stopped tourism around the world
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53 subscribers  • asked 2020-04-094 years ago
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аватар dusik1981
Specially looked at the medical literature and grew the media, and go out again "Oh " TC confusing just two words "death " and "mortality "
"The surgeon (X) with the paramedic (C) enters the operating room, the paramedic pulls an ax.
(X) - Sick Petrov, amputation of his left arm!
(C) - Bale!
(X) - Sick Sidorov, amputation of the right leg!
(C) - Bale!
(X) - Sick Ivanov, amputation of his left leg!
(C) - Bale!
(X) - I said legs!
(C) - Bale!
(X) - I said left!
(C) - Bale!
(X) - I said Ivanov !!
(C) - Bale!
this is the axis to which the vehicle took information from there. And what is the syndrome of "deferred death or life"? Everyone has the right to read any bulletin of medical psychology. And then again say the "experts "
аватар mishatour
. I agree with those who believe that we are participants in the 3rd World War. Some die, many are wounded (recovered from illness) and no one knows what the consequences may be .... Until now, we have used defensive tactics ... masks, 2 meters, hygiene ... Today we have an offensive weapon - VACCINE! !!. Without these weapons, we cannot win... The first decree of the new US president is the decree on large-scale vaccination and the mandatory wearing of masks. America paid with thousands of lives for Trump's irresponsibility. Pfizer is drastically cutting supplies to Europe, violating agreements and keeping the vaccine at home. Do you know who I miss in this war???? Politician!!! The one who is responsible for morale and discipline .. Many of us panic, read various "horror stories" and pass them on ... Why didn't healthy people die from a heart attack or stroke 2 years ago ??? People didn’t go to bed in perfect health and didn’t wake up due to cardiac arrest???.
аватар Slav_na
for me, "death" and "mortality" are somewhere nearby ... probably because "death" for me, a civil engineer, is not very common in life. and the word "mortality" for me is people, not statistics, sorry ...
аватар mishatour
It's just that 2 years ago we didn't have a "scapegoat" Yes, we are dealing with a virus that spreads rapidly and kills people.... But there is a "light at the end of the tunnel" - a vaccine. Mankind faces an epidemic every hundred years and always defeats it. With every epidemic, a vaccine was developed to stop the pandemic. I don’t understand why this time we all became doctors and have their own opinion on everything, and it always does not coincide with the opinion of specialists with world opinion. And do you know who is to blame? I think internet!!! Yes, HE allows everyone to loudly express their incompetent opinion, confirming it with dubious examples .. neighbors of friends and relatives. We cannot know what the man in the next entrance died of, who had been ill with the "corona" a month ago, we cannot know what the employee who was vaccinated a month ago died of !!! Why can't we??? Because no one knows yet!
аватар Kasja23
mishatour, and you are an optimist, however. I am not so optimistic about the consequences of covid.
And I think that those who have been ill should carefully monitor their condition, notice the slightest
changes, especially those related to blood counts. Strokes and heart attacks after suffering covid, this is already a fairly common phenomenon.
And I'm not so optimistic about vaccines. Pharma is one of the highest marginal businesses after oil, gold and drugs. And do you think that pharmaceutical companies prioritize your and my health?
Let's wait and see, but I don't really want to inject with an understudied vaccine, which does not give any guarantee that you won't get sick even within six months.
аватар nadezda2017
With every epidemic, a vaccine was developed to stop the pandemic.
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mishatour, unfortunately this is not so. (At least not quite so.)
"Spanish flu" claimed millions of lives (according to various sources, from 50-100 million). There was no vaccine for it at that time. There were other epidemics that claimed millions of lives. And the man was powerless before them. The virus eventually mutated and went underground. To then suddenly reappear.
I believe that there are scientists who will one day invent a weapon against all this infection. But not now. Everything is too monetized and politicized.
аватар Pachok
mishatour, we live with you in different countries. We have the most honest "statistics" and the most truthful examples - namely personal ones. Their relatives, their friends, "their" doctors. If everywhere for several months now they have been writing about the risks of thrombosis, sick doctors are taking anticoagulants, and a healthy young person dies from a blood clot after covid, then two plus two is not difficult to add up.
And about vaccines. You have a completely different situation, but we do not have a normal vaccine and will not have it in the foreseeable future, our "war" is different - in awareness.
аватар dusik1981
YaSlavnaYa,
As an example of a ghost builder engineer, if there is a brick brand "M 50 " and "M100 " and build load-bearing walls with "M50 " and interior work with "M100 " will it be correct? I don't think so.
And in medicine, well, not sure quote, I also think a lot of work is not needed.
аватар mishatour
Kasja2, not such an optimist .... and I also know about the farm ... and the country in which I live also has its own problems. Israel has reached a peak in the number of infected and seriously ill for the entire period of the pandemic. A couple of days after they began to descend, and with cautious optimism, experts attribute this to the vaccine. As you say .. we'll wait and see. The outbreak of the pandemic was facilitated by the English mutation, which spreads 40-60% faster than the usual "corona". They didn’t close the airport on time and got what they got ... Health to all of us and more optimism ... because it (optimism) is also part of our health)
аватар Slav_na
dusik1981,
if the winds bring me to medical forums, I will gratefully take your advice
аватар Apyatka
The risks of thrombosis are not news. But it's one thing when the doctor tells you - check the D-dimer and quite another, when with each iron - "aaa. We will all die, death let us pee "
I had heart surgery and a heart valve prosthesis 20 years ago. I got delayed death syndrome, do you think? Along with the new valve, I got a huge risk of blood clots and lifelong anticoagulants with blood control. If I had been told then - "Well, everything, kitten pipe, delayed death syndrome in your pocket", I certainly would not have lived these 20 years.
Order in the brain is very important now.
Do not read Soviet newspapers before breakfast.
Do not succumb to the flow of black news.
Do not take anything for granted.
Follow the doctor's instructions.
"Keep calm and clean the machine gun "
аватар Pachok
Why scream "we're all going to die?" It is enough to understand that the story may not have ended with a negative PCR, and for some time it is necessary to monitor certain indicators.
Especially if the family doctor is not in the tooth with a foot.
аватар Slav_na
Apyatka,
agree with every point.
in fact, I did not intend to be frightened myself, nor to frighten anyone. All my life I live by the principle "everything is fine, but it will be even better!" I just asked what people think about SOS, is it a far-fetched problem or an existing one - that's all
аватар Sergey_7979
It seems that the topic of vaccines will be with us at least until the middle of 2024 (2024 presidential and parliamentary elections in Ukraine). Photos of politicians on the fire of boxes / vans with medicines will become trendy.
The pace is set by VV Klitschko:
https://censor.net/ru/news/3243408/klychko_kyyiv_zakupyt_1_mln_doz_vaktsyny_vid_koronaviru su_amerykanskyh_i_yevropeyiskyh_kompaniyi
I respect Vitaliy Volodymyrovych both as an athlete and as a politician (I supported his candidacy in the recent Kyiv mayoral election), but the very fact of supplying certified vaccines to Ukraine through personal connections is frankly annoying.
That is, if you are not a VIP, not a celebrity, do not have connections abroad - then you have no right to rely on quality drugs ???
аватар zolyshka111
Pachok, so change your family doctor to another who has a kick in the tooth. It's not a problem.
аватар Pachok
zolyshka111 No need to snatch the last phrase from the conversation.
аватар zolyshka111
Pachok, and yet why don't you change your family doctor?
аватар dusik1981
Sergey_7979,
if you read the link, it does not say that VIPs will first be provided with quality drugs. As for providing one or the other in the queue in business is always the case, I do not know where you work. But if a person is not known, or rather do not know his reputation (or that reputation "podmochina "), of course, the contract for the supply of anything with him will be signed last. Or they will offer to pay in advance and wait. This is the norm of business, I have never met that the first-best phone call to ship all the cargo in stock.
аватар Pachok
Klitschko said that if everything works out, then 500,000 Kievans will be able to receive the vaccine, first of all, the most vulnerable categories. There are no even hints of VIP and celebrity there
аватар Pachok
zolyshka111, do me a favor, get off me.
аватар zolyshka111
Pachok, I didn’t cling to you, but I normally asked a question.
since you are in a vulnerable category - get the vaccine first, do not worry.
аватар Pachok
I answered you normally - this is the last phrase from the discussion. Interesting - read on, I'm not a parrot to repeat.
аватар dusik1981
As for Kovid in Russia from a fellow philatelist
"About Kovid I will tell in the Russian Federation ...
- those who were not hospitalized are not included in the statistics,
- the people are dying, many people do not analyze Kovid from the word at all ... the causes of death are chronic. diseases ... respectively, buried in open coffins, well, you know what's next ... especially relevant for rural areas ...
On mortality, researchers will give out the numbers later, stupidly compare the difference in mortality over the years ... IMHO, three times or more mortality is higher than on television say ...
- Closed coffins are issued from morgues, sometimes (or we will constantly say) that they are not signed ... well, you understand the possible investigation ...
- medical care with protective equipment for doctors, disinfection of places, treatment - often the worse the smaller the settlement ... if the city is not regional there is often just 3.14 stars ... on TV it is clearly not shown ...
- I have acquaintances who died, and just got infected, others were hospitalized ...
philatelists including ... "
аватар camomille
First preliminary vaccination results from Israel: 20 people contracted Covid out of 128,600 who received both doses of the vaccine.
Of the 20 patients, 50% had comorbidities.
All 20 suffered mild covid - none were hospitalized.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29U2AZ?__twitter_impression=true
аватар dusik1981
so viral vaccines are designed not to protect against the word "absolutely " but to reduce "risks "
аватар camomille
20 people out of 128,600 who suffered in a mild form - in my understanding, this is a risk, almost zero.
аватар dusik1981
These are the ones who went to the doctor, because many people did not go to the doctor with a cold, and it was established ex post facto that the person was ill when the contacts were examined in the acute form, all according to a fellow philatelist from Israel.
аватар Olgaolga153
"... people are dying, many people are not tested for Covid from the word at all ... the causes of death are chronic diseases ... respectively, they are buried in open coffins ... "
they bury just in closed coffins and with all "covid " precautions, but the fact that the cause of death is not covid, but chronic diseases, is true. My husband's work colleague was buried like this. Accordingly, this person was not included in the statistics, like many others like him.
In general, the statistics are skillfully distorted in the direction of minimization, not only in Russia. And the tests for a long time"scored". And even the ER doctors were already dressed in their regular uniforms. We already have "astronauts" do not come to the call, regardless of the disease. Along the way,"suits" remained only in the dirty area of ​​hospitals.
And the worst thing is that the children began to get sick. A relative is a doctor at the "ambulance" works, he says, he has already taken several children from 8 months to 11 years old. They have one of the main symptoms - very reddened and swollen legs.
аватар nadezda2017
........In countries where there is a high level of COVID-19, children after coronavirus infection began to register a new disease in the form of pediatric Kawasaki-like syndrome. This pathology is a post-infectious syndrome that develops in children 3-5 weeks after COVID-19.......
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