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which is better Military Hospital 210 4* or Primorsky Military Hospital. I suffer from sacro-vertebral hernia
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But in general, how does your hernia relate to tourists. Of course, I sympathize with you, but this is clearly not here. Try to type your disease in Google and something should be highlighted there.
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answered 13 years ago
I treated a hernia at the Primorsky hospital. The results are excellent. It's been two years and I don't remember. After me, two of my friends went to this hospital to treat a hernia. They also forgot about their problem.
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answered 13 years ago
SmallPavel, please tell me how did you go there, through some company or on your own?
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answered 13 years ago
I traveled on my own. They have a website, look in Yandex. I called them, they booked a hotel for me for free, and arranged a meeting and obtaining a visa right at the airport in Beijing. So, I just bought plane tickets myself and went. On the Internet, try to dial the seaside military hospital or the Sonata company.
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answered 13 years ago
Good afternoon. I want to go to the Primorsky hospital to treat a hernia. Can you tell me if you can go there on your own? their representative Sonata is online, but there are no direct contacts.
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answered 13 years ago
You wrote correctly, Sonata is their only representative, they are located right at the hospital and provide an opportunity for Russian-speaking patients to be treated in the hospital, accompanied by medical translators. Feel free to contact Sonata, it will be directly, and not through travel agencies. They offer both accommodation and a meeting in Beijing and visa processing, but it is not necessary to do all this through them, you can do everything yourself, and only come to the hospital for treatment, they do not impose any conditions. When I was being treated there, people who came to a different medical center were treated with us, it did not suit them and they came to be treated at Primorsky. And they lived in a different place.
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answered 13 years ago
Hello, in general, it’s not clear which hospital they are asking about ... I was treated at the military hospital 210, this is a real state hospital, the treatment helped a lot, I already had experience of treatment in private sanatoriums in China. I paid directly to the hospital cash desk and the level of attending physicians is at a high level. Sonata is an ordinary travel agency with a clinic opened in another hospital. So, gentlemen, make no mistake in choosing. I went myself, they organize everything. On the website of hospital 210, filled out an application and that's it. Very simple.
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answered 12 years ago
This is the answer I personally received to my question in VG 210: question: And finally, does the Sonata company work with your hospital or with which one? On the websites, she everywhere indicates 210 seaside military hospital.
- not 210, but they are 214 hospitals. There is an advertisement on the Internet by the Sonata travel agency about an invitation for treatment at a seaside military hospital. This is not a hospital, they left the name from the building. The building of the seaside military hospital has been closed for 6 years, then a travel agency from Moscow, Sonata, rented several rooms, that is, the same private clinic, which we have many, but only Russian patients are treated there, Chinese do not go there. For treatment, patients pay to the travel agency Sonata. But the name was left and patients read the Internet and confuse it with a real state medical institution.
There are a lot of reviews on the Internet, to attract people for treatment, those who have never been to China and write these reviews, the special workers of Sonata, who sit at the computer, try to hire Russian people for this. So don't focus too much on them.
- not 210, but they are 214 hospitals. There is an advertisement on the Internet by the Sonata travel agency about an invitation for treatment at a seaside military hospital. This is not a hospital, they left the name from the building. The building of the seaside military hospital has been closed for 6 years, then a travel agency from Moscow, Sonata, rented several rooms, that is, the same private clinic, which we have many, but only Russian patients are treated there, Chinese do not go there. For treatment, patients pay to the travel agency Sonata. But the name was left and patients read the Internet and confuse it with a real state medical institution.
There are a lot of reviews on the Internet, to attract people for treatment, those who have never been to China and write these reviews, the special workers of Sonata, who sit at the computer, try to hire Russian people for this. So don't focus too much on them.
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answered 11 years ago
Good afternoon.
I have been living in Dalian for many years and I cooperate with many medical institutions. centers of Dalian, so I know well all their advantages and disadvantages.
I do not want to talk about which of the hospitals is better than the 210th or Primorsky (214). Both are real military hospitals, only the seaside hospital has earned popularity with effective treatment, and the 210th, unfortunately, is trying to do this at the expense of some other, not always decent methods. Therefore, when they write such a clear lie, trying to lure customers to them by deceit, I get very upset. After all, this misleads people who are trying to make the already difficult right choice and not fall for the scams of some dishonest guides who do not care about your health, and who see you only as a means of earning.
Sanni31 is just a representative of such dishonest guides, about whom they write to you in a letter, who specifically write different reviews, supposedly from patients. This becomes immediately clear if you look at his posts in other topics:
- Here he writes: "I was treated at the military hospital 210 ..."
- In another topic, his own answer: "vouchers to our hospital are not made, ... But we provide the entire organization of the arrival ..."
http://my.turpravda.com/Sanni31/
I have been living in Dalian for many years and I cooperate with many medical institutions. centers of Dalian, so I know well all their advantages and disadvantages.
I do not want to talk about which of the hospitals is better than the 210th or Primorsky (214). Both are real military hospitals, only the seaside hospital has earned popularity with effective treatment, and the 210th, unfortunately, is trying to do this at the expense of some other, not always decent methods. Therefore, when they write such a clear lie, trying to lure customers to them by deceit, I get very upset. After all, this misleads people who are trying to make the already difficult right choice and not fall for the scams of some dishonest guides who do not care about your health, and who see you only as a means of earning.
Sanni31 is just a representative of such dishonest guides, about whom they write to you in a letter, who specifically write different reviews, supposedly from patients. This becomes immediately clear if you look at his posts in other topics:
- Here he writes: "I was treated at the military hospital 210 ..."
- In another topic, his own answer: "vouchers to our hospital are not made, ... But we provide the entire organization of the arrival ..."
http://my.turpravda.com/Sanni31/
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answered 11 years ago
In fact, both hospitals are real military state hospitals, and there, and there, treatment is carried out by military doctors of a good level. Price lists do not differ much either. Primorsky is a little more expensive, but this is understandable, their reputation and the constantly growing flow of patients allow them to position themselves a little higher than 210th. Primorsky hospital and according to the internal gradation of military hospitals is at a level above 210th.
Both hospitals have approximately the same system of work. There is a certain commercial structure that organizes arrival, accommodation, leisure, as well as the opportunity to be treated in a Chinese hospital (translators, transport, etc.) and, on the other hand, the military hospital itself, which has concluded a cooperation agreement with this company. Believe me, a military hospital in China cannot have an official department that will deal with tourism issues, that is, organizing the arrival of Russian patients.
Both hospitals have approximately the same system of work. There is a certain commercial structure that organizes arrival, accommodation, leisure, as well as the opportunity to be treated in a Chinese hospital (translators, transport, etc.) and, on the other hand, the military hospital itself, which has concluded a cooperation agreement with this company. Believe me, a military hospital in China cannot have an official department that will deal with tourism issues, that is, organizing the arrival of Russian patients.
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answered 11 years ago
What can you say about the Health Center (Samosey Anatoly Fedorovich)? Tourists are given massages and needles with cans in some medical institution, where the Chinese are treated. Either clinic or hospital. Russian branch. Compared to the Sonata, it's simple. Good for healing, not so good for healing. Everything is as usual: a consultation with a professor, a set of standard procedures for all diseases. "Healthy" and this is enough - with his wife a year without sick leave.
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answered 11 years ago
in another place, not where our friends went last year, we realized this already upon returning to Russia. Our friends went on their own, having previously contacted the hospital itself, the translator was Lana, a young Russian girl student. The arrival of course came out a little more expensive than ours, as for? visa and flight expenses. Since we went on a group visa from a turfioma. But there is only one conclusion: it is not in vain that they say among us that the miser pays more. It seems that I did not want to save money, but they were afraid to go to China for the first time, to go themselves. Although coming to China. there everything is even very clear and you could safely go on your own. Our friends, of course, were more fortunate, their treatment was successful. We regretted 100 times and decided that we had to go the same way ourselves, without any travel agencies. But we have already decided that we won’t go to China anymore, too nasty residue left from this false hospital and from the serving staff .. We don’t want to say that you shouldn’t be treated in China or Dalian, maybe it’s worth it, our friends were satisfied, but god to get to this Zoya or to their false hospital ..
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answered 11 years ago
In June 2013, my wife and I decided to go to China for the first time, with the main goal being treatment and to combine it with getting to know Asia. We flew from Irkutsk via Beijing, having previously agreed and bought a ticket at a travel agency. We had planned 2 days in Beijing (excursions), and 12 days in Dalian (treatment at the military hospital 210). Upon arrival in Beijing, we were met by a guide and we went to the Rishan Hotel. The hotel was good and the area was also very pleasant, especially to my wife, she spent a good and as we decided profitable shopping. Upon arrival in Dalian, we were met, placed in the Center Plaza Hotel, a 4-star hotel terribly old and dirty! But since the ticket was paid for, we agreed, because the main goal was treatment. This is where the circus begins! We are in China for the first time, although my wife and I were from Europe before, but as it turned out, Chinese guides are something with something. You won’t understand right away, there is literally a deception at every step. We were brought for treatment to the military hospital 210, where we were met by a very arrogant Chinese woman, about forty years old (we were even immediately confused), Zoya introduced herself, said that she was a medical translator. But she looked, at least like a director. We went with her for diagnostics to a famous professor (she told us so
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answered 11 years ago
They spent 10 minutes on diagnostics, paid 60 dollars. The professor in general, by his appearance, does not care why we appeared there. Our pictures are the maximum that he pretended to be looking at (half a minute). Zoya can't translate anything as far as medicine is concerned, but she pretends that she understands everything! When we started asking questions about the treatment, we were told that we did not understand anything. Then they very quickly took us to another room, where this Zoya read the treatment to us (here she kindly allocated half an hour of her time) and rolled out a bill of almost 5500 dollars, for two, this is for 12 days of treatment !!!! This, to put it mildly, surprised, because before leaving, we found out about the prices for treatment in
China, and the cost was much more modest. Therefore, I did not refuse treatment, and my wife was treated. Further: the treatment itself was terrible! Dirt, unsanitary conditions, they themselves ran around the hospital for that Zoya, so that she could translate something, they couldn’t find her, it’s good that I went with my wife while she was lying under the needles, I could find an interpreter somewhere! Zoya, with an air of favor, showed signs of attention for several minutes, as if it was not the money that was paid, but she paid us, the feeling was vile, moreover, we were in a foreign country. All that they write that there is hospitality in China is a blatant lie!
China, and the cost was much more modest. Therefore, I did not refuse treatment, and my wife was treated. Further: the treatment itself was terrible! Dirt, unsanitary conditions, they themselves ran around the hospital for that Zoya, so that she could translate something, they couldn’t find her, it’s good that I went with my wife while she was lying under the needles, I could find an interpreter somewhere! Zoya, with an air of favor, showed signs of attention for several minutes, as if it was not the money that was paid, but she paid us, the feeling was vile, moreover, we were in a foreign country. All that they write that there is hospitality in China is a blatant lie!
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answered 11 years ago
They have only one thing, how to get more money from the poor sick Russian people! Concerning? most conducted? treatment is a separate issue altogether. The doctor did a massage with one hand, and with the other he constantly kept active correspondence on the phone. In the ward, periodically where the doctors smoked, their ashtrays are also there. Shoes, doctors do not change, give towels filthy and already used in more than one circle. they wanted to bring their own, to which we were strictly told that we were selling our clothes and no personal belongings were allowed. Once at the pharmacy they wanted to buy medicine, they called Zoya to translate, they called for an hour, so no one answered and no one called back. We could not explain anything in the pharmacy, no one understood us, so we did not buy anything. We imagined it for a second, okay, but what if someone has a serious illness and what kind of attack? . . So they brought us like sheep, took money from us, and here is the most interesting thing, which is the limit to everything. This hospital is not a hospital! This is a shabby hospital, not even in the city center, next to the Mercury Hotel. It turns out to be an ordinary hospital, where they stuck badges everywhere on our floor, where we Russians were treated (210). Divorce in full!!!! We actually wanted to take the money
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answered 11 years ago
but Zoya said, it’s impossible, the money has already been given. If all this disgrace in Russia. I would have talked differently with this Zoya and the methods would have been different. But there is another country and we are foreigners. What were we treated in
in another place, not where our friends went last year, we realized this already upon returning to Russia. Our friends went on their own, having previously contacted the hospital itself, the translator was Lana, a young Russian girl student. The arrival of course came out a little more expensive than ours, as for? visa and flight expenses. Since we went on a group visa from a turfioma. But there is only one conclusion: it is not in vain that they say among us that the miser pays more. It seems that I did not want to save money, but they were afraid to go to China for the first time, to go themselves. Although coming to China. there everything is even very clear and you could safely go on your own. Our friends, of course, were more fortunate, their treatment was successful. We regretted 100 times and decided that we had to go the same way ourselves, without any travel agencies. But we have already decided that we won’t go to China anymore, too nasty residue left from this false hospital and from the serving staff .. We don’t want to say that it’s not worth being treated in China or in Dalian, maybe it is, our friends were satisfied
in another place, not where our friends went last year, we realized this already upon returning to Russia. Our friends went on their own, having previously contacted the hospital itself, the translator was Lana, a young Russian girl student. The arrival of course came out a little more expensive than ours, as for? visa and flight expenses. Since we went on a group visa from a turfioma. But there is only one conclusion: it is not in vain that they say among us that the miser pays more. It seems that I did not want to save money, but they were afraid to go to China for the first time, to go themselves. Although coming to China. there everything is even very clear and you could safely go on your own. Our friends, of course, were more fortunate, their treatment was successful. We regretted 100 times and decided that we had to go the same way ourselves, without any travel agencies. But we have already decided that we won’t go to China anymore, too nasty residue left from this false hospital and from the serving staff .. We don’t want to say that it’s not worth being treated in China or in Dalian, maybe it is, our friends were satisfied
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answered 11 years ago
Our friends went on their own, having previously contacted the hospital itself, the translator was Lana, a young Russian girl student. The arrival of course came out a little more expensive than ours, as for? visa and flight expenses. Since we went on a group visa from a turfioma. But there is only one conclusion: it is not in vain that they say among us that the miser pays more. It seems that I did not want to save money, but they were afraid to go to China for the first time, to go themselves. Although coming to China. there everything is even very clear and you could safely go on your own. Our friends, of course, were more fortunate, their treatment was successful. We regretted 100 times and decided that we had to go the same way ourselves, without any travel agencies. But we have already decided that we won’t go to China anymore, too nasty residue left from this false hospital and from the serving staff .. We don’t want to say that you shouldn’t be treated in China or Dalian, maybe it’s worth it, our friends were satisfied, but god to get to this Zoya or to their false hospital ..
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answered 11 years ago
Two weeks ago we returned from Dalian and flew to rest and heal our health. But it was not possible to heal our health, on the Internet we got to a blue site where the state military 210 was written. As we understood, the Chinese woman corresponded with us and introduced herself as Ivan Ivanych. We decided to treat the spine and gathered in this hospital. We were met at the airport by an incomprehensible Chinese man who also took 40 dollars instead of 20 from us. We arrive the next day at the hospital, and this is not the same hospital that we saw on the video, there are no branded badges 210, but some kind of dirty hospital is more like a hostel, there we were met by a certain Zoya, as she introduced herself to us. After seeing all the sights of the so-called hospital 210, we refused to be treated there. We met Russian tourists on excursions and they told us the same story as they allegedly arrived for treatment at the 210th hospital, it turns out now it was bought by a Chinese travel agency, the owner of which is a certain Zoya. And the treatment there is carried out for Russian patients, fools who came not knowing where. My husband and I arrived at the hotel and were upset that having given that kind of money for the flight, we just came on excursions.
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answered 11 years ago
We began to search the hotel on the Internet for treatment in Dalian, found a site I don’t remember exactly, but I think hoschina contacted a Russian-speaking consultant and in the morning a car from this 87th hospital drove for us. We were constantly on procedures. We were treated there for 12 days, of course, not enough, but the effect of the treatment is that my husband’s sugar decreased, although he used to be constantly on insulin.
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answered 11 years ago
We also went to the Sonata! it's just a nightmare! on the 2nd floor there is a small corridor of 6 or 7 rooms, unsanitary conditions. There are only 5 doctors. and still called the military! treated terribly! chiropractor is terrible! after him, my back hurt for a long time! and last year we went to the horizon, there the chiropractor Slava said that they didn’t fix anything and that’s why my back hurt so much, we went to him for 8 days somewhere, it also hurt, but after each session it became easier . he truly has golden hands! my aunt cured a hernia, the Mercury 4 * hotel is very good, the food is European, we even went to the pool! The kids were happy and so were we!
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answered 10 years ago
Gentlemen, I think this topic can be closed as irrelevant. Hospital No. 210 has not been accepting Russian patients for more than a year. The hospital itself, of course, works as before. But, the company that organized the treatment of Russian patients at their base either closed, or simply stopped cooperating with them ... I don’t know. The fact is that now Russian patients are not being treated on the basis of the 210th. And those who offer treatment on the Internet at the 210th hospital simply use the promoted site, and they themselves take their patients to the small 87th hospital or somewhere else, while convincing customers that this is a branch of the 210th hospital.
By the way, you can get to the same 87th directly, and then the prices will be much cheaper.
In general, I would recommend everyone to contact the Dalian Compatriot Support Center. They consult with doctors from different clinics, help to choose the right hospital and organize a trip. And they do it all for free. It was organized by our Russians from Dalian with the support of our embassy. So, they definitely give honest information.
Good health to all and don't fall for scammers.
By the way, you can get to the same 87th directly, and then the prices will be much cheaper.
In general, I would recommend everyone to contact the Dalian Compatriot Support Center. They consult with doctors from different clinics, help to choose the right hospital and organize a trip. And they do it all for free. It was organized by our Russians from Dalian with the support of our embassy. So, they definitely give honest information.
Good health to all and don't fall for scammers.
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answered 10 years ago
Sergey! why are you cheating people. Hospital 210 operates and serves foreigners (Russians). this is the biggest and best clinic
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answered 9 years ago
Do not lie! You don’t understand anything about how the Chinese scam the Russians for money and treat them in the supposedly 210 hospital !! Therefore, they serve the Russians not in the hospital itself, but in a dirty old hospital !! Where there is complete unsanitary conditions and doctors are not clear at what level, if they can be called doctors at all ..
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answered 9 years ago
Good afternoon! You read about the whole performance. And you think, how not to get screwed! Kind people advise you to type in the site - Primorsky military hospital. Call Zoya. They will meet and arrange. Guys write me specifically where to turn to professors for spinal surgery. All the best! Antonina
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answered 9 years ago
So here I am in June 2015. in this hospital No. 210! I wrote that I was afraid to screw up and coolly screwed up! "Examination" by the professor for 3 seconds! Zoya asked for $ 2.5 thousand and I gave it away! I did needles, massage, oil for 4 days and they had a holiday, they didn’t work. Met good people and they opened my eyes, they say how they processed me! I began to ask Zoya for prices that are 100 times too high for Russians, and the old Chinese have other cheap prices! I began to ask for a refund, she runs away from me. I immediately rewrote the invoice! 5 days-80 thousand! I thought I’d destroy this dirty almshouse. Where does she rent. And there are a couple of our sick people! No new equipment! $500 of my wallet! Zoya shared with the professor! I found other doctors for the treatment of my spine and I am very glad!
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answered 9 years ago
Could you tell me, please, how and in what way can I go directly to the hospitals in Dalian? Does the Chinese Embassy in Moscow help?
Who knows the "correct" coordinates?
What is the difference between 210, 214, 087 hospitals? Which of them treat Russians? What service do they offer?
Help with coordinates...
Who knows the "correct" coordinates?
What is the difference between 210, 214, 087 hospitals? Which of them treat Russians? What service do they offer?
Help with coordinates...
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answered 9 years ago
If you want to know something, write to my mail which is indicated! And the answer is in your personal!
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answered 9 years ago
If you want truthful answers, contact the Compatriot Support Center in Dalian. They are not tied to any hospitals. Only there you will be honestly told about all the clinics and hospitals. And if you ask, they can, like me, take you through all the clinics upon arrival and show clearly all the differences, all the deceptions, etc. There is no business card left, if someone can help, there is only the phone number of their consultant +86 15184033298
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answered 9 years ago
The Compatriots Support Center in Dalyan are ordinary swindlers and "helpers" who are trying to make money on their own compatriots, which is simply an unacceptable phenomenon for all other peoples, except for Russian speakers!
The world is changing for the better, and apparently, you can come to Dalian or another place in China on your own, just go to the hospital, get a card, visit a specialist, get recommendations, choose or not choose treatment and visit the hospital, paying for each procedure.
I wanted to hear about the methods, doctors and differences before this empirical experience from those who visited and were actually treated, but apparently it won’t work, mostly advertising for “helpers” and swindlers, but it’s a pity!
The world is changing for the better, and apparently, you can come to Dalian or another place in China on your own, just go to the hospital, get a card, visit a specialist, get recommendations, choose or not choose treatment and visit the hospital, paying for each procedure.
I wanted to hear about the methods, doctors and differences before this empirical experience from those who visited and were actually treated, but apparently it won’t work, mostly advertising for “helpers” and swindlers, but it’s a pity!
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answered 9 years ago
Weird. They didn't take a dime from me. I bought the tickets myself, booked the hotel myself. I applied for a visa myself. They just told me how to do it cheaper and more reliable. And I chose the hospital myself, they only helped me to drive around and see everything. By the way, about those actually treated, even before the arrival, I, of course, also asked about this. And their consultant sent me several contacts of those who had already come to be treated with the same problems as I have.
I don't know why, you call people crooks, maybe you had a different experience of contacting them, but I am very grateful to them for everything they did for me, how they helped me in all matters.
I think this is a personal position, and, perhaps, also inherent in most Russians - not to trust anyone, to see swindlers and deceivers in everyone, especially among Russians. But the Chinese will never deceive you. ;-)
I don't know why, you call people crooks, maybe you had a different experience of contacting them, but I am very grateful to them for everything they did for me, how they helped me in all matters.
I think this is a personal position, and, perhaps, also inherent in most Russians - not to trust anyone, to see swindlers and deceivers in everyone, especially among Russians. But the Chinese will never deceive you. ;-)
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