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Is it possible to pay for accommodation not through a travel agency?
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Theoretically, you can. When I plan a vacation in Egypt or Turkey, I buy package tours (they are cheaper). And if in Europe, through booking. The main thing is to find a cheap flight.
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answered 9 years ago
Of course you can. Starting from the site of the hotel itself (where the price will be maximum) and ordering dozens of different booking sites with different prices.
But! Start by looking for air tickets, there may be a nasty surprise.
But! Start by looking for air tickets, there may be a nasty surprise.
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answered 9 years ago
Of course you can)
And then order a transfer and buy tickets = the price will be more expensive than any package tour.
And then order a transfer and buy tickets = the price will be more expensive than any package tour.
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answered 9 years ago
You can buy that number, but in the end it will be more expensive with air tickets, especially in the winter season.
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answered 9 years ago
thanks for the answers, tell me plz - what is a package tour? hotel + flight those. Is it still cheaper through a travel agency?
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answered 9 years ago
A package tour is a tour package that includes a round-trip charter flight, a group airport-hotel-airport transfer, hotel accommodation with meals, and medical insurance.
You can only buy through a travel agency and nothing else.
You can only buy through a travel agency and nothing else.
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answered 9 years ago
For example, the cost of a package tour with a departure on January 23 was $175 per person, and separately the cheapest round-trip charter flight for these dates was $180.
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answered 9 years ago
Well, if we are talking about a tour for $ 175, then there is, of course, no competition for tourism. If people spend a thousand or more on a vacation, then the share of the ticket in the cost is no longer so large, and you can save a lot on a hotel by booking it on British or German sites.
Again, this is ONLY if there is a sane ticket price. 180 is cheap, it's very good. In this situation, I would definitely buy only these tickets and go myself.
Again, this is ONLY if there is a sane ticket price. 180 is cheap, it's very good. In this situation, I would definitely buy only these tickets and go myself.
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answered 9 years ago
"and you can save a lot of money on a hotel by booking it on British or German sites."
If there were real sites and examples, but for now this is just a theory.
If there were real sites and examples, but for now this is just a theory.
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answered 9 years ago
Not a theory. Sites are real and travel too :) And agents should know these sites themselves :) It is not in the interests of self-tourists to make their work easier.
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answered 9 years ago
If there are no links, then there are no sites. As an agent, I know this for sure.
Therefore, among our operator, which has a staff of more than 200 people and among the acquaintances of our directors and their friends, it is impossible to travel cheaper than buying a package tour at the price for a tourist.
And the cost of the hotel does not matter.
Therefore, among our operator, which has a staff of more than 200 people and among the acquaintances of our directors and their friends, it is impossible to travel cheaper than buying a package tour at the price for a tourist.
And the cost of the hotel does not matter.
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answered 9 years ago
You also do not give links to tickets for 180 dollars, which means that they do not exist.
My acquaintances, agents, publicly rally that self-tourism is unprofitable, and then they call and write to me in a personal with a request to give the coordinates of transfer services and sites where prices are good for certain countries, etc. Often, tourism workers fly on a system like "send 20 tourists, get tickets or a tour" or drive through advertisements, and then stories begin, like "I bought a package tour at 10 *."
I've been talking with one agent for a long time on this topic, until a phrase like "I myself also go with my family without a tour" sounded. All. At that moment, I finally realized that you have two truths - voiced for tourists, and the other - for yourself.
Perhaps you are just still inexperienced and will eventually master both self-armor sites and other nuances. Then we can talk. Because simply reselling someone's tours is not quite the same as seeing the whole picture.
The cost of the hotel matters. Because, as I already wrote, a tour for 200 USD. There are no competitors and there cannot be. And you can almost always buy something from 5 * yourself cheaper. The main problem is airfare. That is why Egypt is buying a package. No one has ever seen tickets for 180.
My acquaintances, agents, publicly rally that self-tourism is unprofitable, and then they call and write to me in a personal with a request to give the coordinates of transfer services and sites where prices are good for certain countries, etc. Often, tourism workers fly on a system like "send 20 tourists, get tickets or a tour" or drive through advertisements, and then stories begin, like "I bought a package tour at 10 *."
I've been talking with one agent for a long time on this topic, until a phrase like "I myself also go with my family without a tour" sounded. All. At that moment, I finally realized that you have two truths - voiced for tourists, and the other - for yourself.
Perhaps you are just still inexperienced and will eventually master both self-armor sites and other nuances. Then we can talk. Because simply reselling someone's tours is not quite the same as seeing the whole picture.
The cost of the hotel matters. Because, as I already wrote, a tour for 200 USD. There are no competitors and there cannot be. And you can almost always buy something from 5 * yourself cheaper. The main problem is airfare. That is why Egypt is buying a package. No one has ever seen tickets for 180.
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answered 9 years ago
I can easily link to special offers for $175 during their validity period. Only unlike the hotel booking sites you link to, such offers only last a few hours.
Accordingly, my links cannot be posted here, they need to be caught. And your links to hotel reservations are possible, if they ever existed)
Accordingly, my links cannot be posted here, they need to be caught. And your links to hotel reservations are possible, if they ever existed)
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answered 9 years ago
This is the most important misconception and myth that independent tourism is cheaper.
No one has yet been able to prove that booking a hotel on your own, buying tickets and getting from the airport to the hotel is more profitable than a package tour.
So far, your statements are just words.
And tours to Egypt for 175 dollars and tickets for 90 dollars are quite real for clients of travel agencies.
Your personal experience of communication is just a small part of reality, and it does not reflect the situation as a whole.
Travel agents - travel agents are different. Over the years of work, my clients, who really count their money and have the opportunity to book hotels on their own, have returned to package tours.
And this is true not only in Egypt, but also in Thailand, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, Goa, the Emirates, Spain, France, Italy, the Czech Republic, etc.
This can be easily proven using simple arithmetic)
No one has yet been able to prove that booking a hotel on your own, buying tickets and getting from the airport to the hotel is more profitable than a package tour.
So far, your statements are just words.
And tours to Egypt for 175 dollars and tickets for 90 dollars are quite real for clients of travel agencies.
Your personal experience of communication is just a small part of reality, and it does not reflect the situation as a whole.
Travel agents - travel agents are different. Over the years of work, my clients, who really count their money and have the opportunity to book hotels on their own, have returned to package tours.
And this is true not only in Egypt, but also in Thailand, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, Goa, the Emirates, Spain, France, Italy, the Czech Republic, etc.
This can be easily proven using simple arithmetic)
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answered 9 years ago
Why are there no tours and tickets for $175? For example, for the 5th day my travel agent has been sending me such offers.
Regarding the benefits of package tours.
I have mutishengen open. It is not difficult to buy a plane ticket on your own, without getting up from the couch. But...
No matter how I double-check the prices, the agent always has cheaper plane tickets. And hotels separately from the tour with an agent are cheaper. I myself wondered how this could be, because the agency is the tenth intermediary?
So the last trip to Egypt was booked by me through the hotel booking site only because the operators had already sold out all the tours to the 5-star hotel I was interested in.
As a result, the air tickets I booked separately + a separate transfer + a hotel on my own came out about $ 500 more expensive than if I had bought a package tour to this hotel in advance.
Or, for example, in March they offered a package tour to Thailand for $650, when the separate cost of air travel alone for these dates was $750.
Here are the package tours for you.
Regarding the benefits of package tours.
I have mutishengen open. It is not difficult to buy a plane ticket on your own, without getting up from the couch. But...
No matter how I double-check the prices, the agent always has cheaper plane tickets. And hotels separately from the tour with an agent are cheaper. I myself wondered how this could be, because the agency is the tenth intermediary?
So the last trip to Egypt was booked by me through the hotel booking site only because the operators had already sold out all the tours to the 5-star hotel I was interested in.
As a result, the air tickets I booked separately + a separate transfer + a hotel on my own came out about $ 500 more expensive than if I had bought a package tour to this hotel in advance.
Or, for example, in March they offered a package tour to Thailand for $650, when the separate cost of air travel alone for these dates was $750.
Here are the package tours for you.
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answered 9 years ago
"Only unlike the hotel booking sites you link to, these deals only last a few hours."
On booking sites, good offers also do not linger. For example (I still didn’t have time to thump, I missed it) on the well-known booking.com on 24.01 there was such an offer: from September 5 to October 3 (28 nights) for 5 adults and 2 children, a separate three-bedroom villa in Simena HV cost all. .. 5600 dollars. You will not find anything like this with any operators. On the morning of 25 - it already cost 7400, the next day - 11200.
And this is booking.com, which no one uses for booking Turkey or Egypt, other sites are better.
Others - I already wrote - please look for yourself, if necessary. It's not difficult, all forums of samtourists are full of these names. You just need to figure out a little which countries and what conditions on which sites it is better to look for.
On booking sites, good offers also do not linger. For example (I still didn’t have time to thump, I missed it) on the well-known booking.com on 24.01 there was such an offer: from September 5 to October 3 (28 nights) for 5 adults and 2 children, a separate three-bedroom villa in Simena HV cost all. .. 5600 dollars. You will not find anything like this with any operators. On the morning of 25 - it already cost 7400, the next day - 11200.
And this is booking.com, which no one uses for booking Turkey or Egypt, other sites are better.
Others - I already wrote - please look for yourself, if necessary. It's not difficult, all forums of samtourists are full of these names. You just need to figure out a little which countries and what conditions on which sites it is better to look for.
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answered 9 years ago
"Nobody has yet been able to prove that booking a hotel on your own, buying tickets and getting from the airport to the hotel is more profitable than a package tour"
Why prove it? There are different cases. I use both packages (although very rarely) and self-organization. No one will offer Madeira 4 * for 10 days for 1400 euros for two with a flight. And so we flew. Sami. And you don't have to prove anything to anyone.
To Turkey for 4 years in a row on Wizz Air - to the clubs HV-1 Marty Mira, Corinthia, Boran Mare for 14 days 1500-1700 for two, and in the Champion, in general, the ball turned out to be about 900.
Thailand (not Pattaya) also 4 years in a row 14 days for two, Koh Samui, Krabi, Hua Hin, Phuket with international and all domestic flights - 2200 - 2800. At this price, only this garbage can be offered to Pattaya. Or, if the islands, then an internal flight for a separate cost, usually $ 400 instead of 200 "direct".
They never went to Egypt. There were good package deals, and tickets are separately expensive.
In the UAE, it also makes no sense on its own - hotels give the best prices to operators. But in this case, they bought the air ticket themselves, saved $ 600 for three.
Why prove it? There are different cases. I use both packages (although very rarely) and self-organization. No one will offer Madeira 4 * for 10 days for 1400 euros for two with a flight. And so we flew. Sami. And you don't have to prove anything to anyone.
To Turkey for 4 years in a row on Wizz Air - to the clubs HV-1 Marty Mira, Corinthia, Boran Mare for 14 days 1500-1700 for two, and in the Champion, in general, the ball turned out to be about 900.
Thailand (not Pattaya) also 4 years in a row 14 days for two, Koh Samui, Krabi, Hua Hin, Phuket with international and all domestic flights - 2200 - 2800. At this price, only this garbage can be offered to Pattaya. Or, if the islands, then an internal flight for a separate cost, usually $ 400 instead of 200 "direct".
They never went to Egypt. There were good package deals, and tickets are separately expensive.
In the UAE, it also makes no sense on its own - hotels give the best prices to operators. But in this case, they bought the air ticket themselves, saved $ 600 for three.
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answered 9 years ago
About the Czech Republic. We went several times in a package, when we were still "green". Then, I took my mother to Karlovy Vary, also through TO. I suffered with them, not the right word, but this is a separate issue. Exactly one year later, they gathered in the same hotel through the same agents in the same period - bam! the price is 500 euros higher. I am writing to the hotel: we want to come, what price will you give us? They send a price such that if you add airfare at a regular price and a taxi to HF, you get exactly what we paid last time. 500 euros to give TO - yes, well, fig :)
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answered 9 years ago
"You just need to figure out a little which countries and which conditions on which particular sites are best to look for."
Here it is, the key phrase. That's right - figure it out. This means wasting precious time, shoveling through a mountain of sites and information, catching special offers. And in the end, then contact the agency for comparison and get, if not the same price, then much less)
"You will not find anything like this in any operators."
Of course, because such special offers are not shown to tourists on websites. You cannot find a super price on the operators' websites on your own. They must be requested separately.
All of these examples of independent travel can be cheaper if you ask the manager to calculate the trip.
The fact is that the tourist did not compare, but believed that it would be cheaper on his own.
Advice: if, after an independent calculation, you request a price from an agency, then in almost 90% of cases the price will be more profitable from the agency than when traveling on your own.
Here it is, the key phrase. That's right - figure it out. This means wasting precious time, shoveling through a mountain of sites and information, catching special offers. And in the end, then contact the agency for comparison and get, if not the same price, then much less)
"You will not find anything like this in any operators."
Of course, because such special offers are not shown to tourists on websites. You cannot find a super price on the operators' websites on your own. They must be requested separately.
All of these examples of independent travel can be cheaper if you ask the manager to calculate the trip.
The fact is that the tourist did not compare, but believed that it would be cheaper on his own.
Advice: if, after an independent calculation, you request a price from an agency, then in almost 90% of cases the price will be more profitable from the agency than when traveling on your own.
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answered 9 years ago
As in mathematics, let's SAY that by booking a hotel, flight and transfer on your own, the price comes out cheaper than from a travel agency.
Then why doesn't any agent book a hotel separately on booking sites to make it cheaper?
Why do independent tourists buy package tours to VIP hotels for $2,000, $5,000, and $10,000 and they don't get smaller over the years?
After all, wealthy tourists most often have a high level of intelligence, they know how to count both money and time, and they own the Internet and booking sites.
Why do wealthy tourists do not stop using the services of agents and buying package tours?
Then why doesn't any agent book a hotel separately on booking sites to make it cheaper?
Why do independent tourists buy package tours to VIP hotels for $2,000, $5,000, and $10,000 and they don't get smaller over the years?
After all, wealthy tourists most often have a high level of intelligence, they know how to count both money and time, and they own the Internet and booking sites.
Why do wealthy tourists do not stop using the services of agents and buying package tours?
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answered 9 years ago
"All these examples of independent travel can be cheaper if you ask the manager to calculate the trip."
No, they can't. It's all talk. I'm not too lazy to ask. And I have some very close friends in the agencies. When the tour is cheaper, I buy the tour.
It doesn't happen that often.
"Then why doesn't any agent book a separate hotel on booking sites to make it cheaper?"
First of all, how does he feel about it? Having sold the package, he receives a commission and does not have any extra stress. And for themselves - yes, they book, and how! :)))
Secondly, you will laugh, but many agents already do this for tourists, if the client is ready to give his card and pay the agent a commission on top.
Wealthy tourists, like the poor, stop using the services of agencies, or continue, or new ones appear. To be honest, I didn't understand the question.
The poor are stupid and they go to samtourism? Cool. Especially when you consider that the very first self-tourist from our acquaintances, about ten years ago, rushed on his own to travel around Latin America, then around the USA and completed the whole thing with a Caribbean cruise at a price of $ 400 per person instead of the 2000 requested by the Kiev agent :)
No, they can't. It's all talk. I'm not too lazy to ask. And I have some very close friends in the agencies. When the tour is cheaper, I buy the tour.
It doesn't happen that often.
"Then why doesn't any agent book a separate hotel on booking sites to make it cheaper?"
First of all, how does he feel about it? Having sold the package, he receives a commission and does not have any extra stress. And for themselves - yes, they book, and how! :)))
Secondly, you will laugh, but many agents already do this for tourists, if the client is ready to give his card and pay the agent a commission on top.
Wealthy tourists, like the poor, stop using the services of agencies, or continue, or new ones appear. To be honest, I didn't understand the question.
The poor are stupid and they go to samtourism? Cool. Especially when you consider that the very first self-tourist from our acquaintances, about ten years ago, rushed on his own to travel around Latin America, then around the USA and completed the whole thing with a Caribbean cruise at a price of $ 400 per person instead of the 2000 requested by the Kiev agent :)
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answered 9 years ago
"And for themselves - yes, they book, how else!"
I admit that some people do this when:
- the operator does not have this hotel;
- at the airport of arrival, acquaintances meet or the tourist navigates in local transport;
- I just want to do everything myself for any cost;
- I like non-standard routine and unpredictability of the situation;
- ready to solve any problem with the help of extra money;
"on my own on a trip to Latin America, then the United States and completed the whole thing with a Caribbean cruise for $400 per person"
Hitchhiking has always been the cheapest option. But this type of "rest" has features that are often unsuitable for mass tourists.
In general, there are 2 types of tourism: independent and organized. They have always been and will be, because both have their own nuances. And these nuances are not always equally acceptable for all tourists. Therefore, choose one or the other option. And not always in favor of the cheapest.
I admit that some people do this when:
- the operator does not have this hotel;
- at the airport of arrival, acquaintances meet or the tourist navigates in local transport;
- I just want to do everything myself for any cost;
- I like non-standard routine and unpredictability of the situation;
- ready to solve any problem with the help of extra money;
"on my own on a trip to Latin America, then the United States and completed the whole thing with a Caribbean cruise for $400 per person"
Hitchhiking has always been the cheapest option. But this type of "rest" has features that are often unsuitable for mass tourists.
In general, there are 2 types of tourism: independent and organized. They have always been and will be, because both have their own nuances. And these nuances are not always equally acceptable for all tourists. Therefore, choose one or the other option. And not always in favor of the cheapest.
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answered 9 years ago
It was NOT hitchhiking :))) Why, so immediately to extremes? Regular flights, domestic flights, good hotels.
Completely agree with your last paragraph.
Completely agree with your last paragraph.
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answered 9 years ago
"acquaintances meet at the arrival airport or a tourist navigates local transport"
This phrase tells me a lot about your experience :))) More precisely, (no offense) that it is small. It's not just not a problem, it's not a question at all.
And by the way, yes, you noticed a very significant thing - it happens that "the operator does not have this release." The British and Germans have many hotels in their offers that are not sold to operators for the Soviet market. This is a huge plus!
As for the unpredictability of the situation - with independent organization of surprises, there are much fewer surprises than when buying a tour. Many times I would say :)
This phrase tells me a lot about your experience :))) More precisely, (no offense) that it is small. It's not just not a problem, it's not a question at all.
And by the way, yes, you noticed a very significant thing - it happens that "the operator does not have this release." The British and Germans have many hotels in their offers that are not sold to operators for the Soviet market. This is a huge plus!
As for the unpredictability of the situation - with independent organization of surprises, there are much fewer surprises than when buying a tour. Many times I would say :)
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answered 9 years ago
"So choose one or the other option"
? Why do you think so? I am an example of a tourist who uses both, depending on the situation.
? Why do you think so? I am an example of a tourist who uses both, depending on the situation.
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answered 9 years ago
"It's not just not a problem, it's not a question AT ALL." Has anyone mentioned the problem?
This has never been a problem for a tourist with money)
My little 10 years of experience is based on the experience of my more experienced fellow agents, who devoted their whole lives to tourism and traveled half the world both independently and as a package. I'm just passing on their experience to the masses so they don't make mistakes.
Because learning from your mistakes is financially expensive.
"The British and Germans have a lot of hotels in their offers that are not sold to operators for the Soviet market. This is a huge plus!" Naturally)
The conclusion follows from this, then the absence of Russian speakers is more important for you than the price.
Q.E.D)
This has never been a problem for a tourist with money)
My little 10 years of experience is based on the experience of my more experienced fellow agents, who devoted their whole lives to tourism and traveled half the world both independently and as a package. I'm just passing on their experience to the masses so they don't make mistakes.
Because learning from your mistakes is financially expensive.
"The British and Germans have a lot of hotels in their offers that are not sold to operators for the Soviet market. This is a huge plus!" Naturally)
The conclusion follows from this, then the absence of Russian speakers is more important for you than the price.
Q.E.D)
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answered 9 years ago
"with independent organization of surprises, there are much fewer surprises than when buying a tour. At times, I would say :)"
Here is another confirmation that it's not about cheap package tours, but simply that you once got into an unprofessional agent and now you want to do the work of a travel agent on your own, even paying more.
Here is another confirmation that it's not about cheap package tours, but simply that you once got into an unprofessional agent and now you want to do the work of a travel agent on your own, even paying more.
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answered 9 years ago
"It's never been a problem for a tourist with money)"
And no money too. A package transfer is not the only way to get to a place on a budget.
"The conclusion follows from this, then the absence of Russian speakers is more important for you than the price."
Wrong conclusion.
"that you once fell for an unprofessional agent and now you want to do the work of a travel agent on your own, even paying more."
Again wrong conclusion. There were many different agents, good and bad. But the fact that, for example, our TOs in Turkey do not take the best rooms in the hotel will not go anywhere. This is the simplest example. Have you really never heard moaning that "they gave a bad number and did not want to change it, but the Germans / French, etc." lived in good ones? The agent here, in general, has nothing to do with it. I have never had questions about numbers booked by myself. Moreover, in the same Marty World, the receptionist pushed aside the queue of tourists from Pegasus, the bus with which arrived 10 minutes earlier than our taxi transfer, and issued me with a voucher from Met Global.
Well, it's so, a trifle.
"to do the work of a travel agent on your own, even paying more"
And again - to do this work only if I pay LESS. And this is in 80% of cases.
And no money too. A package transfer is not the only way to get to a place on a budget.
"The conclusion follows from this, then the absence of Russian speakers is more important for you than the price."
Wrong conclusion.
"that you once fell for an unprofessional agent and now you want to do the work of a travel agent on your own, even paying more."
Again wrong conclusion. There were many different agents, good and bad. But the fact that, for example, our TOs in Turkey do not take the best rooms in the hotel will not go anywhere. This is the simplest example. Have you really never heard moaning that "they gave a bad number and did not want to change it, but the Germans / French, etc." lived in good ones? The agent here, in general, has nothing to do with it. I have never had questions about numbers booked by myself. Moreover, in the same Marty World, the receptionist pushed aside the queue of tourists from Pegasus, the bus with which arrived 10 minutes earlier than our taxi transfer, and issued me with a voucher from Met Global.
Well, it's so, a trifle.
"to do the work of a travel agent on your own, even paying more"
And again - to do this work only if I pay LESS. And this is in 80% of cases.
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answered 9 years ago
"My little 10 year experience"
Experience what? Package tourism?
I really don't want to quarrel:) let's talk when you at least once (well, okay, a couple of times) go on your own:) English is ok, I guess?
Experience what? Package tourism?
I really don't want to quarrel:) let's talk when you at least once (well, okay, a couple of times) go on your own:) English is ok, I guess?
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