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I wanted to ask those who flew 4 * and 5 * stars on Fortuna. Where did they get? Really get into the norm. hotel or settled in the cheapest?
I wanted to ask those who flew 4 * and 5 * stars on Fortuna. Where did they get? Really get into the norm. hotel or settled in the cheapest?
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"went 7 times, 2 times lucky" - I specifically counted how many times Fortuna bought a tour only for tickets, out of 15 times these were 1-2 cheapest hotels from the TO list, basically the very first low-price hotel on the TO list.
In addition, I can write you a list of 5 * hotels for 2018, 2019 and 2021 that were on Fortune in the Bodrum region (where the airport was Bodrum Milas airport)
In addition, I can write you a list of 5 * hotels for 2018, 2019 and 2021 that were on Fortune in the Bodrum region (where the airport was Bodrum Milas airport)
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answered 2 years ago
Vika284
Well, we can, if we want :)
"Never, any MOT will put hotels on tours that sell so well in Fortune / Roulette
99% - these will be hotels from which in the MOT and TA themselves have a headache
1% - this will also be, for example, normal 5 * but with temporary but significant problems "
Well, look, hotels can be sold badly not only because they are bad, but also very good hotels can be sold poorly. You do not want to say that "fat " expensive hotels are always flying like hot cakes, and the sale is only "junk "?
I even suspect that it is faster than an ordinary tourist to buy at the last minute expensive than cheap. For the simple banal reason that not everyone can afford it.
That is, based on this may remain unsold hotels that have overestimated their attractiveness. And of course they also need to be sold. And of course, with a "discount ".
Hence the conclusion that bad sales are not cheap (bad), but overvalued.
Well, we can, if we want :)
"Never, any MOT will put hotels on tours that sell so well in Fortune / Roulette
99% - these will be hotels from which in the MOT and TA themselves have a headache
1% - this will also be, for example, normal 5 * but with temporary but significant problems "
Well, look, hotels can be sold badly not only because they are bad, but also very good hotels can be sold poorly. You do not want to say that "fat " expensive hotels are always flying like hot cakes, and the sale is only "junk "?
I even suspect that it is faster than an ordinary tourist to buy at the last minute expensive than cheap. For the simple banal reason that not everyone can afford it.
That is, based on this may remain unsold hotels that have overestimated their attractiveness. And of course they also need to be sold. And of course, with a "discount ".
Hence the conclusion that bad sales are not cheap (bad), but overvalued.
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answered 2 years ago
This time.
Second - look at the situation from the point of view of the buyer. Once burned on Fortune (and this, in your words, should happen in 99% of cases), such a tourist will never play this lottery again. And everyone understands this. Therefore, in at least 50% of cases, such a tourist should receive no worse conditions than those that he expected when he paid a certain amount. More often is better. He has already received a minus in that he does not take part in the selection. If the rest is also "in the red", the idea would have died a long time ago. And she lives at the very least.
Yes, from your words (I did not know this), there is a certain category of people who take the cheapest Fortuna just because of air tickets. And of course, any slag is poured there. And it's really hard to count on something good here. But the Author of the question is not one of those, it can be seen from the question itself. And I'm not interested in this because of the tickets.
So, it would be nice to get statistics on 5 *, for example, to understand how profitable this business can be or vice versa :)
Second - look at the situation from the point of view of the buyer. Once burned on Fortune (and this, in your words, should happen in 99% of cases), such a tourist will never play this lottery again. And everyone understands this. Therefore, in at least 50% of cases, such a tourist should receive no worse conditions than those that he expected when he paid a certain amount. More often is better. He has already received a minus in that he does not take part in the selection. If the rest is also "in the red", the idea would have died a long time ago. And she lives at the very least.
Yes, from your words (I did not know this), there is a certain category of people who take the cheapest Fortuna just because of air tickets. And of course, any slag is poured there. And it's really hard to count on something good here. But the Author of the question is not one of those, it can be seen from the question itself. And I'm not interested in this because of the tickets.
So, it would be nice to get statistics on 5 *, for example, to understand how profitable this business can be or vice versa :)
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answered 2 years ago
Here are examples of negative feedback from those who traveled to Fortuna for analysis and reflection:
https://www.turpravda.ua/tr/alanja/Anessa_Beach_Hotel-h91990-r484372.html#com327223
https://www.turpravda.ua/eg/marsa_alam/Pensee_Royal_Garden-h31165-r483231.html#com326544
https://www.turpravda.ua/tr/alanja/Anessa_Beach_Hotel-h91990-r484372.html#com327223
https://www.turpravda.ua/eg/marsa_alam/Pensee_Royal_Garden-h31165-r483231.html#com326544
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answered 2 years ago
Andrey111 ,
Well, after reading these reviews, I can only say one thing: people wanted for 2 rubles, as for 200. but it doesn’t happen)))
if you paid 15k, you won’t get into a hotel for 45k. up to 25...
I could be wrong, but so far - no)))
Well, after reading these reviews, I can only say one thing: people wanted for 2 rubles, as for 200. but it doesn’t happen)))
if you paid 15k, you won’t get into a hotel for 45k. up to 25...
I could be wrong, but so far - no)))
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answered 2 years ago
I agree, there is a desire to save money with high expectations.
On the other hand, the reviews are not so much that they were deceived in Fortune, but that they did not like the hotels. That is, it was possible to pay more to the same hotels, without Fortune (I looked at the price "for now" it is higher than the tourists went) and also remain dissatisfied.
Although, as it usually happens, there are reviews for the same period of time in the same hotel where people liked everything. That is, the point is not so much in Fortune, but in personal perceptions, which are different for different people.
YaSlavnaYa "if you paid 15k, you won't get to a hotel for 45k. For a maximum of 25..."
But if you paid 25, is it possible to get to the hotel via Fortuna for 15? Probably here this is more of a question when we talk about its expediency
On the other hand, the reviews are not so much that they were deceived in Fortune, but that they did not like the hotels. That is, it was possible to pay more to the same hotels, without Fortune (I looked at the price "for now" it is higher than the tourists went) and also remain dissatisfied.
Although, as it usually happens, there are reviews for the same period of time in the same hotel where people liked everything. That is, the point is not so much in Fortune, but in personal perceptions, which are different for different people.
YaSlavnaYa "if you paid 15k, you won't get to a hotel for 45k. For a maximum of 25..."
But if you paid 25, is it possible to get to the hotel via Fortuna for 15? Probably here this is more of a question when we talk about its expediency
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answered 2 years ago
"if you paid 15k, you won't get to a hotel for 45k. maximum for 25..." who pays the hotel the difference in the room rate? Once again, THEN will not even give you 10k gifts
If you pay $ 500 for the tour, you will get a hotel that will cost more than a maximum of $ 90 on tours (approximately 2400-2500 UAH).
TO is not a charitable organization
If you pay $ 500 for the tour, you will get a hotel that will cost more than a maximum of $ 90 on tours (approximately 2400-2500 UAH).
TO is not a charitable organization
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answered 2 years ago
Vika284 ,=who pays the difference to the hotel=
there was a question not about the difference in price, but about the inflated price. for example, when we got to Zen Phaselis, we paid for bingo, as far as I remember, 900 or 950 deerskins))). and in the room next to us, a couple from Kyiv had a rest for 1350. that is, as far as I understand, these 400 bucks are a cheat that the hotel (or TO) unobtrusively forgave us ... half the price, for a minute! most likely, THEN it was necessary to sell the redeemed places ...
yes, you are right, TO is not a charitable organization ... and that is why the cheats are such that the hair stands on end. perhaps it’s not THAT that is being played, but hotels, to be honest, I’m drumming, I just want it cheaper, but in Sentido))))
there was a question not about the difference in price, but about the inflated price. for example, when we got to Zen Phaselis, we paid for bingo, as far as I remember, 900 or 950 deerskins))). and in the room next to us, a couple from Kyiv had a rest for 1350. that is, as far as I understand, these 400 bucks are a cheat that the hotel (or TO) unobtrusively forgave us ... half the price, for a minute! most likely, THEN it was necessary to sell the redeemed places ...
yes, you are right, TO is not a charitable organization ... and that is why the cheats are such that the hair stands on end. perhaps it’s not THAT that is being played, but hotels, to be honest, I’m drumming, I just want it cheaper, but in Sentido))))
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answered 2 years ago
in September, I monitored my favorite hotel and monitored it to 29.5, while it was given for 37-40. sent a friend (we didn’t have the opportunity, sorry). why am I: so this difference is cheating? after all, no one will sell to their own detriment, will they?
here is Fortune-Roulette-Bingo, as I understand it - this is when there are redeemed places, and THAT doesn’t want to lose, even if it’s not profit, it would return the investment ...
I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm just expressing my opinion)))
luck and jackpots to all!!!
here is Fortune-Roulette-Bingo, as I understand it - this is when there are redeemed places, and THAT doesn’t want to lose, even if it’s not profit, it would return the investment ...
I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm just expressing my opinion)))
luck and jackpots to all!!!
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answered 2 years ago
about "fat" expensive hotels"
for example Sharm hotels, there are a lot of hotels in Sharm. Ukrainian TOs have tour offers in + -22 3* category hotels, + -60 4* category hotels, + -89 5* category hotels
Of these, "fat" expensive hotels "5 * premium segment 5 * are Four Seasons Resort Sharm, Rixos Premium Seagate, Royal Savoy + Royal Savoy Villas
"fat" expensive hotels "very worthy luxury 5 * are Rixos Sharm El Sheikh, Baron Resort, Steigenberger Alcazar
"Fat" expensive hotels "there are few hotels of this level in the total mass of hotels, and there are enough people who want to relax from all over the world. So vacation tours in these hotels are selling well.
It's like with clothes / shoes / accessories stores, there are things that are sold in bazaars and in stores for the mass buyer such as Mango and HM, but there are shops where Louis Vuitton, Dolce & Gabbana and Chanel sell things where there is no mass buyer, but things are sold well there .
for example Sharm hotels, there are a lot of hotels in Sharm. Ukrainian TOs have tour offers in + -22 3* category hotels, + -60 4* category hotels, + -89 5* category hotels
Of these, "fat" expensive hotels "5 * premium segment 5 * are Four Seasons Resort Sharm, Rixos Premium Seagate, Royal Savoy + Royal Savoy Villas
"fat" expensive hotels "very worthy luxury 5 * are Rixos Sharm El Sheikh, Baron Resort, Steigenberger Alcazar
"Fat" expensive hotels "there are few hotels of this level in the total mass of hotels, and there are enough people who want to relax from all over the world. So vacation tours in these hotels are selling well.
It's like with clothes / shoes / accessories stores, there are things that are sold in bazaars and in stores for the mass buyer such as Mango and HM, but there are shops where Louis Vuitton, Dolce & Gabbana and Chanel sell things where there is no mass buyer, but things are sold well there .
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answered 2 years ago
YaSlavnaYa
"a couple from Kyiv had a rest with us for 1350. that is, as far as I understand, these are 400 bucks" - was it the same MOT? Do you know when this couple bought the tour? because it happens that today the price is one, and in a few days another, maybe there were holidays or mass races. You don't know exactly which agency they bought the tour from, because a significant part of the agencies take an additional markup. I came across when for a tour that costs $ 1000 from TO, they asked TA for $ 1200. If the same THEN, which flights and which airline
According to Zen Phaselis, there is also a difference in which building you live in, if this couple booked the main building in advance, and not the apartment building, and you got Zen Phaselis according to Fortune and at the time of your arrival at the hotel there were many rooms in the main building and the receptionist could just give you a number there, and not send you to the apartment building.
"a couple from Kyiv had a rest with us for 1350. that is, as far as I understand, these are 400 bucks" - was it the same MOT? Do you know when this couple bought the tour? because it happens that today the price is one, and in a few days another, maybe there were holidays or mass races. You don't know exactly which agency they bought the tour from, because a significant part of the agencies take an additional markup. I came across when for a tour that costs $ 1000 from TO, they asked TA for $ 1200. If the same THEN, which flights and which airline
According to Zen Phaselis, there is also a difference in which building you live in, if this couple booked the main building in advance, and not the apartment building, and you got Zen Phaselis according to Fortune and at the time of your arrival at the hotel there were many rooms in the main building and the receptionist could just give you a number there, and not send you to the apartment building.
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answered 2 years ago
"this is when there are redeemed places" - in most TOs it does not buy places in advance, but in the contract it guarantees the occupancy of quotas in hotels.
can only be redeemed in certain cases, in certain several hotels (but not the Zen Phaselis hotel category) and in a certain period
And by the way, TO may not immediately pay hotels for accommodation of tourists, it may make payments much later. You have already completed your stay at the hotel for a month, and MOT only pays off the hotel
"up to 29.5, while it was given for 37-40" - Different TOs selling tours to this hotel, different airlines, different flights on time, different conditions in case of non-departure, different% of the commission that TOs give their TOs for sales of this hotel...
can only be redeemed in certain cases, in certain several hotels (but not the Zen Phaselis hotel category) and in a certain period
And by the way, TO may not immediately pay hotels for accommodation of tourists, it may make payments much later. You have already completed your stay at the hotel for a month, and MOT only pays off the hotel
"up to 29.5, while it was given for 37-40" - Different TOs selling tours to this hotel, different airlines, different flights on time, different conditions in case of non-departure, different% of the commission that TOs give their TOs for sales of this hotel...
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answered 2 years ago
We flew in November along Fortuna from Anex. Very lucky, we are satisfied. But, Sharm is crowded and there is no idyll on the beaches. Feeling of Alushta.
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answered 2 years ago
Vika284,
I will not argue with you - I know about the work of MOT less than you, but to me it, to be honest, I don’t need nafik. all I want to know - and by Fortuna you can get to a good place. and that sometimes you can catch a good discount exactly where you like it. the rest - well, that's the truth - I don't care.
sorry if...
and, by the way, about Zen: our tour was not to the apartments, and we and they took to Anex (then Zen was considered "their" hotel). The flights were also from the same airline. the only difference is that they arrived a day earlier and departed a day earlier ... wow!
everything, lava manus)))
I will not argue with you - I know about the work of MOT less than you, but to me it, to be honest, I don’t need nafik. all I want to know - and by Fortuna you can get to a good place. and that sometimes you can catch a good discount exactly where you like it. the rest - well, that's the truth - I don't care.
sorry if...
and, by the way, about Zen: our tour was not to the apartments, and we and they took to Anex (then Zen was considered "their" hotel). The flights were also from the same airline. the only difference is that they arrived a day earlier and departed a day earlier ... wow!
everything, lava manus)))
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answered 2 years ago
"our tour was not in apartments" - how do you know that it was not in an apartment building, if it was Fortuna, with Fortune no one knows the type of building or accommodation model, are there standard rooms here and there? Or was it not Fortuna))))
"Zen was considered "their" hotel" - this hotel is sold by many operators, it has never been exclusive to Anex or any other operator
"Zen was considered "their" hotel" - this hotel is sold by many operators, it has never been exclusive to Anex or any other operator
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I want to say that it’s difficult to travel to Marsa Alam according to fortune for such
snork lovers like me. All cheap hotels in the MOT list are those that are on
open wall and in windy weather you will not go out on the reef. And autumn - winter - spring in Mars -
windy. And what to do in such hotels? Moreover, any cheapest hotel
in Makadi, compared to Mars will be WOW! So if a person is not for a snork,
but he goes to Mars for food and comfort - then there is nothing like that, mostly.)))
And for the price - this year we rested in Wadi Lakhmi, so our guide is not a hotel one -
found out and announced to us that TO pays the hotel either 8 euros or 8 dollars per day per person !!!!
I sympathized with the hotel...
snork lovers like me. All cheap hotels in the MOT list are those that are on
open wall and in windy weather you will not go out on the reef. And autumn - winter - spring in Mars -
windy. And what to do in such hotels? Moreover, any cheapest hotel
in Makadi, compared to Mars will be WOW! So if a person is not for a snork,
but he goes to Mars for food and comfort - then there is nothing like that, mostly.)))
And for the price - this year we rested in Wadi Lakhmi, so our guide is not a hotel one -
found out and announced to us that TO pays the hotel either 8 euros or 8 dollars per day per person !!!!
I sympathized with the hotel...
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answered 2 years ago
Vika284, Of course, you know better what it was. I already wrote above that I do not want to argue with you. do me a favor - leave my story alone
to close the topic - yes, you are right - it was not Fortune, Anex calls it Roulette ... and I also have a stupid habit of storing all sorts of unnecessary pieces of paper)))
to close the topic - yes, you are right - it was not Fortune, Anex calls it Roulette ... and I also have a stupid habit of storing all sorts of unnecessary pieces of paper)))
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YaSlavnaYa at Roulette/Fortune, you cannot know in advance which modification of the hotel building your room will be located (main, additional, annex building, apart building ...) because the name of the hotel is unknown. And if the hotel on Fortuna has only the main building or the hotel on Fortuna has only a bungalow and no main building
With Fortune/Roulette, you know exactly the category of the hotel 5* 4* 3*, the type of the room is standard, family, etc., sometimes with the specification sea view or not the sea, region, and the concept of UALL, ALL, HB ..
They know exactly what modification of the hotel buildings the room is in, who book the hotel not according to Fortuna
As for the Larissa Phaselis Princess Hotel of the former Zen Phaselis, I even booked a simple tour there, indicating the standard room, you can get into both the main buildings and the apartment building. To be sure to get to the buildings near the sea, those who book this hotel indicate in advance in vouchers exactly the standard rooms in the main buildings, and not just the standard
With Fortune/Roulette this is not possible
With Fortune/Roulette, you know exactly the category of the hotel 5* 4* 3*, the type of the room is standard, family, etc., sometimes with the specification sea view or not the sea, region, and the concept of UALL, ALL, HB ..
They know exactly what modification of the hotel buildings the room is in, who book the hotel not according to Fortuna
As for the Larissa Phaselis Princess Hotel of the former Zen Phaselis, I even booked a simple tour there, indicating the standard room, you can get into both the main buildings and the apartment building. To be sure to get to the buildings near the sea, those who book this hotel indicate in advance in vouchers exactly the standard rooms in the main buildings, and not just the standard
With Fortune/Roulette this is not possible
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answered 2 years ago
Vika284 ,
Lord, well, that's enough, huh?!
I already said - YOU ARE GREAT! YOU'RE RIGHT!
do me a favor, let's close this topic, well, really - I'm not interested!
Lord, well, that's enough, huh?!
I already said - YOU ARE GREAT! YOU'RE RIGHT!
do me a favor, let's close this topic, well, really - I'm not interested!
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answered 2 years ago
Dear author! I categorically do not advise taking fortune. I myself would never even take a chance (when flying even to the budget, you know what to count on, you read, watch the video and when you arrive you get what you chose). I have never been disappointed in the choice because upon arrival I already knew what color and quality of towels, rooms, food and who behind what bush ...... Yes, I study very SCRIPTLY, so expectation = reality. I don’t understand those who run around on arrival, yell, resent, change hotels, as if they brought him in a bag blindfolded by fortune. Therefore, my advice: choose a hotel for a long time in your price category and you will be happy. Regarding fortune, my friends, neighbors, relatives indulge in roulette (everyone and always spit) in Egypt. So you filter the first three cheapest hotels and your hotel will be. At the same time, for more than half, this is really the cheapest hotel. There they also communicated with vacationers, and they also always ended up in a cheap hotel.
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answered 2 years ago
I support 100%. Especially now, when the quality of hotels is getting worse and worse, it's better not to play with it.
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answered 2 years ago
The chances of getting into a good hotel by fortune are zero. The chances of getting into a mid-range hotel (Concordia in Turkey or Jazz Charm Dreams in Yegi, for example) are 15% out of 100. The chances of getting into the two cheapest hotels by price are 95%. This is reality. Try to fly, and then tell us here upon arrival home ..... if of course you are interested. But once again, my advice (what the heck is needed, but still) when choosing a hotel, approach the choice seriously, study ALL the information, read on ALL resources, be sure to watch the video, REMEMBER (if the budget is not large) with the shortcomings, failures of the hotel and go ahead. Arriving at the hotel you will not be disappointed, you knew where and for what money you flew. Personally, I always choose a good hotel in the middle price category and do not want bad triples and fortunes. People who carefully studied the price and service are ready to get what they expect write excellent reviews about triples and I sometimes wonder how you can get a lot of emotions there, but the person knew where he was flying and was ready and happy. I am against fortune.
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answered 2 years ago
Fortune 3 is good because it often costs less than a charter for the same days, plus there is a roof over your head. a friend chooses a hotel on booking and flies like a fortune. once the reserved hotel refused to accept - so at least she didn’t stay on the street while they were looking for another)))
I do not call. just sharing. I am not capable of such feats - my seal will not approve)))
I do not call. just sharing. I am not capable of such feats - my seal will not approve)))
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answered 2 years ago
YaSlavnaYa, just don’t be offended, I booked through booking many times and there were different situations
"once booked hotel refused to accept"
If a hotel is booked through booking, and upon arrival the hotel refuses to accept, then the hotel MUST provide you with an alternative accommodation for the same money in another hotel or in a room that is more expensive in your hotel, and be sure to call the booking support and report this situation.
If the hotel representatives flatly refuse to do this, call the booking support and tell about this situation, booking you to offer free rooms in nearby hotels or you yourself can book a room in another hotel again through the booking system. The first booking withholds a huge fine from a dishonorable hotel, the second booking fully compensates for the difference in accommodation in another hotel if the hotel is more expensive or if there was a case of booking, the transfer from hotel to hotel was compensated. But I need checks.
"once booked hotel refused to accept"
If a hotel is booked through booking, and upon arrival the hotel refuses to accept, then the hotel MUST provide you with an alternative accommodation for the same money in another hotel or in a room that is more expensive in your hotel, and be sure to call the booking support and report this situation.
If the hotel representatives flatly refuse to do this, call the booking support and tell about this situation, booking you to offer free rooms in nearby hotels or you yourself can book a room in another hotel again through the booking system. The first booking withholds a huge fine from a dishonorable hotel, the second booking fully compensates for the difference in accommodation in another hotel if the hotel is more expensive or if there was a case of booking, the transfer from hotel to hotel was compensated. But I need checks.
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answered 2 years ago
Vika284.
I, however, do not take offense - I did not go. Tanka my money was returned to the card, and said "well, prastiti - not calculated." they really offered something, but from where, as she said, and for the gift of nafiqnad ... she was not offended, she returned to her troika - and the next day she went along the hadaba to look for a free hotel.
just thanks to her searches, I somehow went to sentilo, for which she is very merci)))
I, however, do not take offense - I did not go. Tanka my money was returned to the card, and said "well, prastiti - not calculated." they really offered something, but from where, as she said, and for the gift of nafiqnad ... she was not offended, she returned to her troika - and the next day she went along the hadaba to look for a free hotel.
just thanks to her searches, I somehow went to sentilo, for which she is very merci)))
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answered 2 years ago
I hope she didn’t lie to me about “fortune is cheaper than charters”? ..
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answered 2 years ago
By examples
Tourists booked the Sentido Hotel the cheapest room where the cost of 1 night for 2 in a room is $188
Due to overbooking or technical error, Sentido is unable to host these travelers. At the same time, the money for accommodation was debited from the tourist card or the amount was blocked. Then the hotel representatives can only offer an option that is similar in price or more expensive. Those. Tropitel Naama where the night costs $60 or Stella where the night is $119 the representatives of the hotel cannot offer tourists who also have money written off!!!! If the hotel has written off the money or blocked the amount, the hotel is OBLIGED to provide accommodation of the same price and higher price
Just like that, it is impossible to return the money at the same second, on the same day, a week later !!!! This doesn't happen.
Tourists booked the Sentido Hotel the cheapest room where the cost of 1 night for 2 in a room is $188
Due to overbooking or technical error, Sentido is unable to host these travelers. At the same time, the money for accommodation was debited from the tourist card or the amount was blocked. Then the hotel representatives can only offer an option that is similar in price or more expensive. Those. Tropitel Naama where the night costs $60 or Stella where the night is $119 the representatives of the hotel cannot offer tourists who also have money written off!!!! If the hotel has written off the money or blocked the amount, the hotel is OBLIGED to provide accommodation of the same price and higher price
Just like that, it is impossible to return the money at the same second, on the same day, a week later !!!! This doesn't happen.
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answered 2 years ago
Vika284., so I didn’t write that the money was transferred immediately)))
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