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Athens - Krasnodar on a private car. Which way is safe?
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Hello! I don’t know where else I can turn, who to ask .. My husband and I live in Greece and in the spring of 2016 we want to go to Krasnodar to visit close relatives in our car (Greek numbers). We have dual citizenship.
We plan to make our way through Turkey, Georgia, Ossetia and back. We are also considering the option to go through Ukraine.
But in connection with recent events... we are afraid... Will we have problems at the borders? And in general on the way? How do these countries (states) treat Russian citizens?
If anyone has any information, please share!
Which option to choose?
Thanks in advance!
We plan to make our way through Turkey, Georgia, Ossetia and back. We are also considering the option to go through Ukraine.
But in connection with recent events... we are afraid... Will we have problems at the borders? And in general on the way? How do these countries (states) treat Russian citizens?
If anyone has any information, please share!
Which option to choose?
Thanks in advance!
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answered 8 years ago
Citizens of Russia in Ukraine are treated like people (if they came without weapons, of course) The route should be laid past the areas where hostilities are taking place.
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answered 8 years ago
I would go through Turkey and Georgia. The road is shorter and safer. Through Turkey, Adzharia, to the checkpoints on the Russian-Georgian border - Upper Lars (North Ossetia, Russia) and Dariali (until 2008 - Kazbegi) (Georgia). https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0+%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82 %D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B8+%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BB%D0%B0% D1 %80%D1%81&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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answered 8 years ago
The village of Sarpi, Trabzon region, Artvi district (Adjara) is a checkpoint between Turkey and Georgia.
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answered 8 years ago
What to consider with the "northern route": The quality of roads in Romania and Ukraine. Distance - the nearest checkpoint to Krasnodar - Kharkiv. The option through the Crimea - I don’t know, somehow it’s not reliable, 100% rely on it ..... I repeat - through the Crimea - I don’t know.
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answered 8 years ago
Oleksii64
The person who asked the first question, "gti5682", writes that he is a citizen of dual citizenship (Russian Federation, Greece ... as I understand it). The northern route does not bypass Ukraine. All roads to the Krasnodar Territory pass through the territory of Ukraine and the zone of the so-called. ATO or Crimea and ferry. So ... all foreign citizens need a special permit to travel to the ATO zone or Crimea. You can learn more about this on the Internet. Only citizens of Ukraine are allowed to travel to these territories ("occupied territories") to visit their parents, relatives, graves, etc. For these trips, there are special checkpoints (there are few of them). If you still want to go through Ukraine, then before the ATO zone you will have to leave Ukraine for the Russian Federation, also only through a special checkpoint (in the northeast), then go around the ATO zone along the routes of the Russian Federation to the South. This is a big hook.
The person who asked the first question, "gti5682", writes that he is a citizen of dual citizenship (Russian Federation, Greece ... as I understand it). The northern route does not bypass Ukraine. All roads to the Krasnodar Territory pass through the territory of Ukraine and the zone of the so-called. ATO or Crimea and ferry. So ... all foreign citizens need a special permit to travel to the ATO zone or Crimea. You can learn more about this on the Internet. Only citizens of Ukraine are allowed to travel to these territories ("occupied territories") to visit their parents, relatives, graves, etc. For these trips, there are special checkpoints (there are few of them). If you still want to go through Ukraine, then before the ATO zone you will have to leave Ukraine for the Russian Federation, also only through a special checkpoint (in the northeast), then go around the ATO zone along the routes of the Russian Federation to the South. This is a big hook.
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answered 8 years ago
Oleksii64
There is no need to talk about the roads, their condition. I am sure that the roads in Turkey and Adjara (Batumi) are much better. The difficult section of the southern route is the Georgian military road, through the "Cross Pass". The road has always been difficult, even in Soviet times. But it has been in operation since 2010. The Upper Lars checkpoint has been operating for a long time, since March 1, 2010. The opening of the Russian-Georgian border is of particular importance for Armenia, about a third of the republic's cargo is transported along this road.
There is no need to talk about the roads, their condition. I am sure that the roads in Turkey and Adjara (Batumi) are much better. The difficult section of the southern route is the Georgian military road, through the "Cross Pass". The road has always been difficult, even in Soviet times. But it has been in operation since 2010. The Upper Lars checkpoint has been operating for a long time, since March 1, 2010. The opening of the Russian-Georgian border is of particular importance for Armenia, about a third of the republic's cargo is transported along this road.
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answered 8 years ago
Thank you very much for your feedback and for your replies!
Through Ukraine, as I understand it, there are a lot of problems ... and it’s not a fact that there will be no problems ...
To be honest, we would like to go through Turkey, since we traveled through Ukraine many times (before the war).
I heard a lot of good reviews about Georgia, its beautiful views, historical places ... And there are quite a few of them in Turkey, especially since my ancestors, the Pontic Greeks, once lived in this territory.
The question is, how freely can we cross the border between Turkey and Georgia (Georgia-Turkey) with a Russian passport? After all, Turkey and Russia now have strained relations .... Or has nothing changed? Citizens of Russia can freely visit Turkey and not be afraid...?
Through Ukraine, as I understand it, there are a lot of problems ... and it’s not a fact that there will be no problems ...
To be honest, we would like to go through Turkey, since we traveled through Ukraine many times (before the war).
I heard a lot of good reviews about Georgia, its beautiful views, historical places ... And there are quite a few of them in Turkey, especially since my ancestors, the Pontic Greeks, once lived in this territory.
The question is, how freely can we cross the border between Turkey and Georgia (Georgia-Turkey) with a Russian passport? After all, Turkey and Russia now have strained relations .... Or has nothing changed? Citizens of Russia can freely visit Turkey and not be afraid...?
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answered 8 years ago
Checkpoint "Sarpi" (automobile!) - highway E70 to Batumi ...;
Checkpoint "Vale" - highway E691 Vale ... here in Tbilisi
The Georgian military road is very picturesque, passes through the gorges of the rivers, through the "Cross Pass (nearby, a glacier will be visible, right there and a river with carbonated mineral water ...), in the village of Kazbegi Mount Kazbek will be visible with a snow cap ... on the castle of Queen Tamara, many other interesting places and landscapes along the way...
On the way to Batumi, the sea is on the left...
Checkpoint "Vale" - highway E691 Vale ... here in Tbilisi
The Georgian military road is very picturesque, passes through the gorges of the rivers, through the "Cross Pass (nearby, a glacier will be visible, right there and a river with carbonated mineral water ...), in the village of Kazbegi Mount Kazbek will be visible with a snow cap ... on the castle of Queen Tamara, many other interesting places and landscapes along the way...
On the way to Batumi, the sea is on the left...
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answered 8 years ago
There are no obstacles for citizens of the Russian Federation to enter Turkey. Visas are not required for citizens of the Russian Federation to enter Georgia. It is desirable to obtain medical insurance, since the treatment of foreign citizens in Georgia is carried out on a commercial basis.
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answered 8 years ago
That's lovely! Now we will no doubt go through Turkey and Georgia :) I'm sure the trip will be unforgettable!
Thank you very much!
P.S. If there is new information, please share. :)
Thank you very much!
P.S. If there is new information, please share. :)
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answered 8 years ago
I didn’t understand a little, do you have two passports - Russian and Greek? If yes, then show Greek, and there will be no issues in Ukraine. You can also with Russian. My relative lives in Zaporozhye (Russian passport) and travels calmly through Kharkov to Russia.
I just don’t recommend the ATO zone and Crimea, there may be problems there. War, after all, do you need it?
I just don’t recommend the ATO zone and Crimea, there may be problems there. War, after all, do you need it?
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answered 8 years ago
And I repeat once again, there are no problems for citizens of other countries, including Greeks or Russians, to travel through Ukraine. You don't have to go only to the war zone.
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answered 8 years ago
alex45, Alex, you read the question carefully and only then answer. A person with dual citizenship (Russian Federation, Greece). They do not have Ukrainian citizenship. They don't need to travel around Ukraine (Zaporozhye, Kharkiv...). They want to get to Krasnodar They need to pass through Ukraine and then through the ATO zone, or through the Crimea, to then get to Krasnodar (RF).
I repeat...for foreign citizens, this is fraught with difficulties. It is necessary to obtain a special permit to travel to the so-called. ATO zone or Crimea. These territories can only be visited by citizens of Ukraine, and then they need to have a reason (parents, relatives, visiting the grave, etc.).
That's what FALLS are...
("And once again I repeat, there are no problems for citizens of other countries, including Greeks or Russians, to travel through Ukraine.")
I repeat...for foreign citizens, this is fraught with difficulties. It is necessary to obtain a special permit to travel to the so-called. ATO zone or Crimea. These territories can only be visited by citizens of Ukraine, and then they need to have a reason (parents, relatives, visiting the grave, etc.).
That's what FALLS are...
("And once again I repeat, there are no problems for citizens of other countries, including Greeks or Russians, to travel through Ukraine.")
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answered 8 years ago
And go to the Kharkov region. Not? After all, the author of the question does not insist on passing through the territories of hostilities and the Crimea.
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answered 8 years ago
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All roads from Ukraine to Krasnodar (RF) pass either through the territory of the ATO or through a ferry crossing in Kerch. Previously, it was possible to cross from Odessa to the Caucasus ...
All roads from Ukraine to Krasnodar (RF) pass either through the territory of the ATO or through a ferry crossing in Kerch. Previously, it was possible to cross from Odessa to the Caucasus ...
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answered 8 years ago
O.V.L. Yes, there is a checkpoint in the Kharkiv region, they can be found on the Internet. But then it will be necessary to go to the North (instead of the South-East) and go around Ukraine from the East along the routes of the Russian Federation. This is a big detour.
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"I repeat... for foreign citizens, this is fraught with difficulties. It is necessary to obtain a special permit to travel to the so-called ATO zone or to the Crimea. Only citizens of Ukraine can visit these territories, and then they need to have a reason (parents, relatives, visiting the grave and etc.)"
I just can’t understand what the ATO zone or Crimea has to do with it. No one needs to go there to come to Russia and cross the border in the Kharkov-Belgorod region and down through Rostov-on-Don. The former Moscow-Simferopol highway is in a normal condition, the Odessa highway is in a normal condition. These are not mountains, where inextenso sends you with mountain roads in Georgia and, especially, broken ones in Adjara.
I just can’t understand what the ATO zone or Crimea has to do with it. No one needs to go there to come to Russia and cross the border in the Kharkov-Belgorod region and down through Rostov-on-Don. The former Moscow-Simferopol highway is in a normal condition, the Odessa highway is in a normal condition. These are not mountains, where inextenso sends you with mountain roads in Georgia and, especially, broken ones in Adjara.
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answered 8 years ago
Now I went to Google maps, the route through Ukraine to Kharkov and further Rostov-Krasnodar - 3080 km (42 hours), through Turkey, Georgia - 3026 km (38 hours). A difference of 50 km is nonsense, but mountain and flat roads play a role. I conducted the route, bypassing the war zone and the Crimea. I made a mistake in the previous post - these are broken roads in Abkhazia, I won’t say about Adzharia.
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answered 8 years ago
I'm not campaigning for anything, but uv. inextenso, somehow you write in official language ... On the left is the sea, on the right is a barbecue ... In the Odessa region. it will be the opposite - Sea on the right, barbecue on the left :) Just for information - there is a bus tour - Dnepropetrovsk - Kharkov-Rostov-Georgia. That is, there are roads and people move along them. The military-Georgian road is not a highway, choose a top-starter - but you can drive here and there.
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answered 8 years ago
And finally, I perfectly understood the question. None of the sane would suggest that the citizens of Russia and Greece come to Ukraine and fool around at the Crimean checkpoint, let alone go to the ATO zone.
I have not yet considered the option from Moldova to Odessa, then through the Novokakhovskaya highway and further to Kharkov.
In general, TS, surf the Internet on Google maps, and you will decide for yourself whether it is better through Sofia and Bucharest along the E75 and further to Ukraine or through Turkey and Georgia. They are equal in mileage.
I have not yet considered the option from Moldova to Odessa, then through the Novokakhovskaya highway and further to Kharkov.
In general, TS, surf the Internet on Google maps, and you will decide for yourself whether it is better through Sofia and Bucharest along the E75 and further to Ukraine or through Turkey and Georgia. They are equal in mileage.
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answered 8 years ago
alex45
About the possibility of choosing the Crimea as a route option ("The option through the Crimea - I don't know, it's not reliable somehow, 100% rely on it ..... I repeat - through the Crimea - I don't know.") asked "Oleksii64". From the very beginning, in my opinion, the route through Turkey and Adjara is preferable. I supported him. The only difficulty is the Cross Pass. After the events in Georgia, the Georgian Military Highway has been functioning normally for a long time (since 2010). This is a difficult mountain road, but it is surprisingly picturesque...
About trips "without problems" in Ukraine, I would not advertise like that, especially to citizens of the Russian Federation. If you want some areal exoticism, look at checkpoints, camouflage actions ... then good luck
About the possibility of choosing the Crimea as a route option ("The option through the Crimea - I don't know, it's not reliable somehow, 100% rely on it ..... I repeat - through the Crimea - I don't know.") asked "Oleksii64". From the very beginning, in my opinion, the route through Turkey and Adjara is preferable. I supported him. The only difficulty is the Cross Pass. After the events in Georgia, the Georgian Military Highway has been functioning normally for a long time (since 2010). This is a difficult mountain road, but it is surprisingly picturesque...
About trips "without problems" in Ukraine, I would not advertise like that, especially to citizens of the Russian Federation. If you want some areal exoticism, look at checkpoints, camouflage actions ... then good luck
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answered 8 years ago
Sorry, but I read carefully! And your posts too - "All roads to the Krasnodar Territory pass through the territory of Ukraine and the so-called ATO zone or Crimea and the ferry. So ... for all foreign citizens to travel to the ATO zone or Crimea special permission required." So no one offered it.
Once again - not all roads to Krasnodar go through the ATO zone, you can go through Odessa to Kharkov, and through Dnepropetrovsk, but what is "areal exotic" is not clear. It is felt that you rarely visit the roads of Ukraine.
But ... it's up to the vehicle to decide how to drive.
I just don't like it when they escalate the situation, that you have to go through a war zone, etc. Normally on the roads of Ukraine, you can ride and Russians, and Greeks, and Germans.
Once again - not all roads to Krasnodar go through the ATO zone, you can go through Odessa to Kharkov, and through Dnepropetrovsk, but what is "areal exotic" is not clear. It is felt that you rarely visit the roads of Ukraine.
But ... it's up to the vehicle to decide how to drive.
I just don't like it when they escalate the situation, that you have to go through a war zone, etc. Normally on the roads of Ukraine, you can ride and Russians, and Greeks, and Germans.
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answered 8 years ago
alex45
Be careful, this is good. I wrote three days ago: - "If you still want to go through Ukraine, then before the ATO zone you will have to leave Ukraine for the Russian Federation, also only through a special checkpoint (in the North-East) ...". Do not be nervous and make overview reports on the roads of Ukraine (through Odessa, through Dnepropetrovsk). All cities can be listed. But you still have to leave Ukraine for the Russian Federation in the North-East, through a checkpoint in the Kharkiv region. This is where freezes are. Instead of going to the South-East along the short route: Debaltseve ... Novoshakhtinsk (this is how they traveled at all times), now they have to go to the North of the Kharkov region, and only then go around the territory of Ukraine from the East. This is called: - "Scratching the left ear with the right hand."
Be careful, this is good. I wrote three days ago: - "If you still want to go through Ukraine, then before the ATO zone you will have to leave Ukraine for the Russian Federation, also only through a special checkpoint (in the North-East) ...". Do not be nervous and make overview reports on the roads of Ukraine (through Odessa, through Dnepropetrovsk). All cities can be listed. But you still have to leave Ukraine for the Russian Federation in the North-East, through a checkpoint in the Kharkiv region. This is where freezes are. Instead of going to the South-East along the short route: Debaltseve ... Novoshakhtinsk (this is how they traveled at all times), now they have to go to the North of the Kharkov region, and only then go around the territory of Ukraine from the East. This is called: - "Scratching the left ear with the right hand."
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answered 8 years ago
Yes, come on, you understand perfectly well that no one will go through the ATO zone, as they traveled in ancient times! not to be unfounded (read above - there are both mileage and time) And these are Google's calculations.
If I had not traveled along the roads of Ukraine, then you could tell something, by the way, where are yours "If you want isal exotics, look at checkpoints, at camouflage actions." - I did not receive an answer.
Well, the TS will decide to go to his place in Krasnodar through Ukraine or the Caucasus Mountains.
If I had not traveled along the roads of Ukraine, then you could tell something, by the way, where are yours "If you want isal exotics, look at checkpoints, at camouflage actions." - I did not receive an answer.
Well, the TS will decide to go to his place in Krasnodar through Ukraine or the Caucasus Mountains.
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answered 8 years ago
alex45
"You understand perfectly well that no one will go through the ATO zone, as they used to travel in ancient times!"
I just understand this very well. Now, instead of going to the South (Krasnodar, Sochi, Minvody are in the South), where necessary, we will go to the North, where it is allowed. And you say you can ride freely...
"You understand perfectly well that no one will go through the ATO zone, as they used to travel in ancient times!"
I just understand this very well. Now, instead of going to the South (Krasnodar, Sochi, Minvody are in the South), where necessary, we will go to the North, where it is allowed. And you say you can ride freely...
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answered 8 years ago
You are always trying to drag me into a discussion about where you can go (in connection with the war, someone allows it or not), where not.
I’m trying to explain, it’s not you and I who created this problem. But even now you can drive a car everywhere in Ukraine freely, except for the ATO zone and the occupied Crimea. It is important for the vehicle how to get to Krasnodar. You think that through Turkey and the Caucasus , and I, that it is freely possible through Ukraine, will also not have problems. Just don’t lay a route through Debaltseve and Novoshakhtinsk, they shoot there. So let’s not remember those times when there were no borders in the Union. And I could go to Uzbekistan from the Baltic states. Deal? We expressed the advantage of our routes, I think that it is harder to drive on a mountain road than on a plain, but let the vehicle think. No one will touch it along my route.
I’m trying to explain, it’s not you and I who created this problem. But even now you can drive a car everywhere in Ukraine freely, except for the ATO zone and the occupied Crimea. It is important for the vehicle how to get to Krasnodar. You think that through Turkey and the Caucasus , and I, that it is freely possible through Ukraine, will also not have problems. Just don’t lay a route through Debaltseve and Novoshakhtinsk, they shoot there. So let’s not remember those times when there were no borders in the Union. And I could go to Uzbekistan from the Baltic states. Deal? We expressed the advantage of our routes, I think that it is harder to drive on a mountain road than on a plain, but let the vehicle think. No one will touch it along my route.
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answered 8 years ago
And by the way, I know very well that Sochi is in the South, Murmansk is in the North of Russia. In Ukraine, the North is Chernihiv, the South is Odessa. And Kharkiv has never been in the north of Ukraine, this is the East. So, at least do not confuse geography. Further, I have already said that the vehicle must decide for itself how to go and we need to think so that on the Cross Pass in the spring (any spring happens) it does not fall asleep with snow, and we still have knee-deep snow in April.
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answered 8 years ago