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Do I need permission to export a child from the father?
I am a citizen of Ukraine. Now I live in Russia with my son. There is a temporary residence permit for three years. We want to fly to rest in Thailand with a child. How can we be? Should I ask my father to send an export permit? Thanks!
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The child is already abroad - in the Russian Federation. What does the border service of the Russian Federation care about the transfer of an "alien" child? Moreover, for "their" children, the consent of the second parent in the Russian Federation is not necessary. But in such an important question, you should not rely on the answers on the site.
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answered 11 years ago
if your temporary permit is for one trip, then you need a new one:
Taking a child abroad with one of the parents
If only one of the parents accompanies the child on a trip abroad, or they are divorced, then upon departure you will be asked to present a notarized power of attorney from the other parent stating that he does not object to such a trip. If the export of a child abroad is carried out by a grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle or other relative, then in this case a power of attorney is needed from both parents. Such a power of attorney can be issued for one or several trips with an indication of the validity period. If one of the parents does not actually take part in the upbringing of the child, then a power of attorney from him is not needed, but the status of such a “unfortunate parent” must be confirmed by an appropriate document: a mother’s book, a document on the deprivation of parental rights, an application for abandoning the child, a court decision about the inability to establish the location, etc. In the event of the death of one of the parents, this document will be a death certificate. If the other parent refuses to give permission to take the child abroad, then the other party needs to go to court.
Taking a child abroad with one of the parents
If only one of the parents accompanies the child on a trip abroad, or they are divorced, then upon departure you will be asked to present a notarized power of attorney from the other parent stating that he does not object to such a trip. If the export of a child abroad is carried out by a grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle or other relative, then in this case a power of attorney is needed from both parents. Such a power of attorney can be issued for one or several trips with an indication of the validity period. If one of the parents does not actually take part in the upbringing of the child, then a power of attorney from him is not needed, but the status of such a “unfortunate parent” must be confirmed by an appropriate document: a mother’s book, a document on the deprivation of parental rights, an application for abandoning the child, a court decision about the inability to establish the location, etc. In the event of the death of one of the parents, this document will be a death certificate. If the other parent refuses to give permission to take the child abroad, then the other party needs to go to court.
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answered 11 years ago
Sandra, that's right, except for one thing - if the vehicle flew to Tai from Kiev. It would look like a second trip abroad and one more permit is needed. But the HARDWARE ALREADY abroad and is free to move as he wishes. Or maybe she is returning to Kyiv (well, through Bangkok, there were no other tickets :))) or if you follow this logic, then the border guards in Tae will not let her back to Russia with a child - only to Kyiv. But this is absurd. Sandra, your quote: "then when you leave you will be asked to present a notarized power of attorney from the other parent that he does not mind such a trip" But the DEPARTURE has already happened.
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answered 11 years ago
well then you're right
I can't talk about the legal part here. I generally thought that such permits have an exact expiration date. I mean the dates and the country is registered, where they are actually exported.
otherwise my husband allowed me to take my daughter to Turkey for a week, and then I’ll leave with her wherever I want and won’t come back ...
I can't talk about the legal part here. I generally thought that such permits have an exact expiration date. I mean the dates and the country is registered, where they are actually exported.
otherwise my husband allowed me to take my daughter to Turkey for a week, and then I’ll leave with her wherever I want and won’t come back ...
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answered 11 years ago
It remains only to find out this option at the consulate of Ukraine, there is a website on the Internet. I tend to the namesake option, but there is no complete certainty!
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answered 11 years ago
Yes, of course, you need to call the consulate - it will be calmer.
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answered 11 years ago
We live permanently in Thailand. We often fly to other countries. Daughter 8 years old. One of us, either me or my wife, always passes the border guards with my daughter. Never, no one, in any country has asked where the second parent is.
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answered 11 years ago
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I strongly recommend getting a certified permit so that there are no troubles at the border.
I strongly recommend getting a certified permit so that there are no troubles at the border.
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answered 11 years ago
A notarized permission to travel with a child of one of the parents is a Russian requirement. There are several other countries where similar measures are in place, in some countries a child can generally fly alone from country to country. The fact that someone quietly flies from Thailand or Germany to other countries with children without certificates, this example is inappropriate here. The certificate will be checked in Russia upon departure, and in Thailand the customs officers will not care about this certificate. Today, the legislation of the former Soviet republics is very similar (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.). I am not a consular officer and not a customs officer, but in order to avoid risk, I would strongly recommend making such a certificate. Even if they tell you at the consulate that you don’t need it, you can argue at customs for a long time proving your case until your plane leaves, and then they may let you in, only you will need to buy new tickets or you will have to give a bribe to resolve the situation. I've heard of these options.
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answered 11 years ago
why are Thais, Burmese, Laos, Cambodians, etc. do we need permission? And they demand from their own. Probably because we are not their citizens. Permission is needed to take the child out of their own country, and not from another. Although those who advise getting it are right. Anything can come to the mind of Russian border guards.
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answered 11 years ago
andreyvip - Russian law does not require a notarized permission from one of the parents (Family Code of the Russian Federation)
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answered 11 years ago
From a legal point of view, I completely agree with you. but there are realities of Russia. A proof of relationship is required. In accordance with the order of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia dated July 11, 2005, from July 22, 2005, minor citizens of the Russian Federation (under 18 years old) when leaving Russia on a foreign or general passport of the Russian Federation to the CIS countries and far abroad, accompanied by their parents (guardians, adoptive parents, trustees) must have a document confirming the relationship with the parents (birth certificate, guardianship certificate, marriage certificate, etc.).
In the absence of a document confirming kinship, even if there are the same surnames of parents and children, an underage child will be denied exit from the Russian Federation. And secondly, there is an interesting loophole for a customs officer
In the absence of a document confirming kinship, even if there are the same surnames of parents and children, an underage child will be denied exit from the Russian Federation. And secondly, there is an interesting loophole for a customs officer
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answered 11 years ago
Plus, you can also come across this rule: Article 6 of the Federal Law No. 114 "On the procedure for leaving the Russian Federation and entering the Russian Federation" states:
“Citizens of the Russian Federation carry out departure from the Russian Federation and entry into the Russian Federation using valid documents proving the identity of a citizen of the Russian Federation outside the territory of the Russian Federation ....”.
This means that a child must have their own personal passport from the moment of birth to travel abroad. Departure on the passport of the parents is not allowed.
If the parents of the child have an old-style foreign passport, then an entry about the children can be made in it. But!... According to the Administrative Regulations of the Federal Migration Service, in force since April 16, 2010, entering information about children is carried out only to confirm kinship and does not allow children to travel with their parents' passports! From 01.03.09, children entered in the parents' passport must have a photo, regardless of the child's age (previously it was allowed not to paste a photo until the age of 6).
“Citizens of the Russian Federation carry out departure from the Russian Federation and entry into the Russian Federation using valid documents proving the identity of a citizen of the Russian Federation outside the territory of the Russian Federation ....”.
This means that a child must have their own personal passport from the moment of birth to travel abroad. Departure on the passport of the parents is not allowed.
If the parents of the child have an old-style foreign passport, then an entry about the children can be made in it. But!... According to the Administrative Regulations of the Federal Migration Service, in force since April 16, 2010, entering information about children is carried out only to confirm kinship and does not allow children to travel with their parents' passports! From 01.03.09, children entered in the parents' passport must have a photo, regardless of the child's age (previously it was allowed not to paste a photo until the age of 6).
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answered 11 years ago
In addition, there is a loophole for the customs officer in the form of the fact that you need to check whether there is a travel ban from the other parent, and since such statements are not contained in a common electronic database, then, if desired, to clarify the situation, the customs officer can hold you as long as he wants, accompanying this with comments that there is a verification of applications and soon everything will be decided, only your plane can fly away.
So it is better to prepare carefully for a trip with a child, even if you are sure that you are right, it is better to play it safe.
So it is better to prepare carefully for a trip with a child, even if you are sure that you are right, it is better to play it safe.
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answered 11 years ago
In general, the question is about a citizen of Ukraine and her son... And the customs are not involved in this issue... But, of course, you can't argue with the last paragraph.
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answered 11 years ago
Yes, I agree that customs has nothing to do with it, passport control is a border service.
Here is a nuance - citizens of Ukraine leave Russia. They have nothing to do with the large correspondence about the children of Russian citizens. And if there were children from Germany, Spain, Turkey and other countries? I think we can advise that!
My opinion is a request to the Ukrainian consulate.
Here is a nuance - citizens of Ukraine leave Russia. They have nothing to do with the large correspondence about the children of Russian citizens. And if there were children from Germany, Spain, Turkey and other countries? I think we can advise that!
My opinion is a request to the Ukrainian consulate.
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answered 11 years ago