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What are air tours from Accord Tour (Lviv)?
Good afternoon! I'm going to Italy (air tour from Accord Crazy holidays), unfortunately I did not find a single review of air tours from Accord. I would be grateful for any information
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Yesterday, the news was broadcast, the Accord thundered to glory!
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answered 12 years ago
I don’t see any information about the Accord anywhere, but how did it thunder? Where can you read? What was the news?
Interesting:-)
Interesting:-)
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answered 12 years ago
http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/nimecka-policiya-zatrimala-simoh-ukrayinskih-turistiv.html
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answered 12 years ago
Business visas were opened for tourists and people at the border were removed from the route. Representatives of the Accord did not even come out to give an explanation on this issue, but gave a scribble in which they accuse the tourists of being to blame for this (they do not provide reliable information).
Yesterday, the plot was in the news on Inter, and it was also broadcast on some channels, also in the news.
Yesterday, the plot was in the news on Inter, and it was also broadcast on some channels, also in the news.
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answered 12 years ago
So it's the Accord that opened the visa business? Wow!
I know that almost all tour agencies send business visas, but to open them .. why?
I know that almost all tour agencies send business visas, but to open them .. why?
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answered 12 years ago
Like this. And we can't wait for comments. And the boy from the Foreign Ministry will tell us that tourists are to blame for everything.
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answered 12 years ago
I just can’t understand one thing, why open a business visa? It is one thing to send a tourist with an already existing visa, it is profitable: to earn money, to sell a tour that a person without a visa does not have time to buy in time. Can't get a visa. All agencies sin with this, I, as a tourist with experience, are aware of it. But what's the point of starting a business? It's more troublesome. Most likely, the tourists had a business visa, and Accord sent them on a tour package.
Why am I writing this: sending a tourist on a business visa is a violation? Why did our border guards let us through? And the second - today Accord, tomorrow Fairy with Artex. This business such - a lottery. We don't care about violations. Here the tourist himself must have his head on his shoulders, and think for himself. Because (I know from my own experience) in any critical situation, the agency cannot be counted on.
Why am I writing this: sending a tourist on a business visa is a violation? Why did our border guards let us through? And the second - today Accord, tomorrow Fairy with Artex. This business such - a lottery. We don't care about violations. Here the tourist himself must have his head on his shoulders, and think for himself. Because (I know from my own experience) in any critical situation, the agency cannot be counted on.
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answered 12 years ago
It's not worth talking about Accord's innocence at all. The operator must know that business visas are not allowed. It was necessary to solve this problem immediately. But our border guards didn’t care, they saw an open visa and let them through. They'll get more.
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answered 12 years ago
Sending tourists with business visas for a tour package is already a gross violation. What is the innocence? Another thing is that show me which company will not send? Therefore, it is precisely for this that you refuse Accord and go to another company - change it for soap. Here you need to look at what number of rooms, what kind of guides, whether old broken buses and whether there is overbooking, this is the main thing for us tourists (with normal visas) on a trip. Although I flew to Budapest in May 2008, there was overbooking, but we were chosen a better hotel than stated, for the same money. In such cases, it is very important which tour operator. And visas .. let's just say .. a general problem, unfortunately.
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answered 12 years ago
I agree. For some reason, I like Tatur. And he has a lot of offers, and at a price cheaper than the Accord.
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answered 12 years ago
Residents of western Ukraine almost all have "their" business visas. And no tourist visas will shine for them!
So, they do not have the right to go on vacation if they made their first business trip?
The question is, was this their FIRST entry in the cartoon or the 2nd one?
If the first one is correct, that they were filmed on a flight!!!
And if the 2nd or subsequent, then the tourists are not guilty.
TA is not to blame at all, after all, 99% that these visas were opened by tourists on their own. TA can be guilty only if it was it that opened these business visas for them.
I personally am not sure that the TA is authorized to check whether these visas are legally issued. And the problem, it seems, was not that the tourists were traveling with business visas (this was the reason), but that for some reason they considered these visas illegally obtained.
I think that they went on a Polish cartoon trip for the first time, but not on official business, but on vacation. And this is 100% inappropriate use.
And why do the members of the forum think that "Sending tourists with business visas for a tour package is already a gross violation" ???
Why?
So, they do not have the right to go on vacation if they made their first business trip?
The question is, was this their FIRST entry in the cartoon or the 2nd one?
If the first one is correct, that they were filmed on a flight!!!
And if the 2nd or subsequent, then the tourists are not guilty.
TA is not to blame at all, after all, 99% that these visas were opened by tourists on their own. TA can be guilty only if it was it that opened these business visas for them.
I personally am not sure that the TA is authorized to check whether these visas are legally issued. And the problem, it seems, was not that the tourists were traveling with business visas (this was the reason), but that for some reason they considered these visas illegally obtained.
I think that they went on a Polish cartoon trip for the first time, but not on official business, but on vacation. And this is 100% inappropriate use.
And why do the members of the forum think that "Sending tourists with business visas for a tour package is already a gross violation" ???
Why?
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answered 12 years ago
Open my profile, I'm a solo traveler. I have absolutely nothing to do with the travel industry.
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answered 12 years ago
By the way, they write on the bark that one tourist had an invitation with her, they let her go and she even sort of caught up with the group ...
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answered 12 years ago
Well, if you are not a travel agent, then you may not know anything :-)
Read about visa regimes and their violation. Why do you think you are asked about the purpose of the trip when crossing the border? That's exactly why. A tourist visa does not give the right to work, but a business visa is the opposite. By the way, you don't have to cancel it.
Good knowledgeable agency. Well, you MUST know :-)
The invitation entitles you to a visitor visa. On a visitor visa, you can travel in a group or alone. It does not matter.
My father lives in Kaunas, and I gave birth to my daughter there in 1989. I have opened more than 22 different visas for 22 years :-)
But I repeat once again that sending on a business visa is more the fault of the tourist - there are eyes, a head on his shoulders too. And you need to choose a company according to the criteria that I indicated above.
Read about visa regimes and their violation. Why do you think you are asked about the purpose of the trip when crossing the border? That's exactly why. A tourist visa does not give the right to work, but a business visa is the opposite. By the way, you don't have to cancel it.
Good knowledgeable agency. Well, you MUST know :-)
The invitation entitles you to a visitor visa. On a visitor visa, you can travel in a group or alone. It does not matter.
My father lives in Kaunas, and I gave birth to my daughter there in 1989. I have opened more than 22 different visas for 22 years :-)
But I repeat once again that sending on a business visa is more the fault of the tourist - there are eyes, a head on his shoulders too. And you need to choose a company according to the criteria that I indicated above.
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answered 12 years ago
Viltis, I know a lot about visas, although I am a tourist. I read the visa code at my leisure)))
I don't know much about TA.
1. Sorry, but you also need to read about violations of the regime ;-) It seems to me that you are confusing visa C with visa D ...
2. Business visa does not give the right to work. This time. Usually. Those visas that we are talking about are visa C issued for business purposes, a business need.
3. Visas that give the right to work, this is usually a category D visa with all the consequences.
4. Visitor visas do not exist - this is one of the varieties of visa C, most often.
There is a C visa and a lot of purposes for which it is issued - tourism, and sports competitions, and visiting relatives and friends, and that very service or business visa, and visiting cemeteries, and treatment, and many, many other things - this is a visa WITH.
That is, your quote "Sending tourists with business visas on a tour package is already a gross violation" is your opinion. Right?
I don't know much about TA.
1. Sorry, but you also need to read about violations of the regime ;-) It seems to me that you are confusing visa C with visa D ...
2. Business visa does not give the right to work. This time. Usually. Those visas that we are talking about are visa C issued for business purposes, a business need.
3. Visas that give the right to work, this is usually a category D visa with all the consequences.
4. Visitor visas do not exist - this is one of the varieties of visa C, most often.
There is a C visa and a lot of purposes for which it is issued - tourism, and sports competitions, and visiting relatives and friends, and that very service or business visa, and visiting cemeteries, and treatment, and many, many other things - this is a visa WITH.
That is, your quote "Sending tourists with business visas on a tour package is already a gross violation" is your opinion. Right?
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answered 12 years ago
"A tourist visa does not give the right to work, but a business visa is the opposite. By the way, it does not need to be canceled."
How are you going to get two valid Schengen visas SIMULTANEOUSLY with overlapping dates - one for trips to museums, the other for visits to exhibitions and meetings with business partners?
How are you going to get two valid Schengen visas SIMULTANEOUSLY with overlapping dates - one for trips to museums, the other for visits to exhibitions and meetings with business partners?
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answered 12 years ago
Listen, what is the dispute? What nonsense. Just read about the visa regime and that's it. I did confuse work with business, I don't deny, well, a typo, sir. But to enter with a tour group on a business visa is a violation of the visa regime. Yes, actually what are we talking about, go :-) This is a voluntary matter.
A visitor visa is a type of tourist visa. But there are differences in the submission of documents. But they have the same meaning.
A visitor visa is a type of tourist visa. But there are differences in the submission of documents. But they have the same meaning.
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answered 12 years ago
So the fact of the matter is that a person who needs a service visa goes and asks for it at the consulate.
Naturally, he cannot come and say, give me a visa for a year, I'm going to work with Polish companies. When I go, I don't know. He will be told that when the REAL need arises, then ask for a visa.
Another comes and says that, well, they say I’m going to an exhibition or there, here’s my business plan, I made an appointment with this Polish company, here’s her invitation, then he will be given a 99% short-term trip with one entry. Which is logical. And he will have a one-time business visa.
And now let's imagine a representative office of a foreign, in this case, a Polish company, which is located in Ukraine, or some kind of TOV, opened by a Polish individual or legal entity. It is logical that part of the employees of such an enterprise is absolutely legal and can obtain a visa for official purposes. The one, visa C, namely, which is a business, but only MULTIPLE.
To do this, they declare the purpose of the trip is business necessity and ask for a visa, say for a year, for 30-45 days in the Schengen zone.
They do not work in Poland, they work in Ukraine, but their work involves frequent trips to Poland. Imagined?
Naturally, he cannot come and say, give me a visa for a year, I'm going to work with Polish companies. When I go, I don't know. He will be told that when the REAL need arises, then ask for a visa.
Another comes and says that, well, they say I’m going to an exhibition or there, here’s my business plan, I made an appointment with this Polish company, here’s her invitation, then he will be given a 99% short-term trip with one entry. Which is logical. And he will have a one-time business visa.
And now let's imagine a representative office of a foreign, in this case, a Polish company, which is located in Ukraine, or some kind of TOV, opened by a Polish individual or legal entity. It is logical that part of the employees of such an enterprise is absolutely legal and can obtain a visa for official purposes. The one, visa C, namely, which is a business, but only MULTIPLE.
To do this, they declare the purpose of the trip is business necessity and ask for a visa, say for a year, for 30-45 days in the Schengen zone.
They do not work in Poland, they work in Ukraine, but their work involves frequent trips to Poland. Imagined?
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answered 12 years ago
we crush water in a mortar :-) We are talking about the same things.
Formally, a tour in a group on a business visa is a violation. And any agency knows this, I suspect that you also know this :-) Formally, in a tourist group, they can confiscate passports from tourists with any visas, except for tourist ones. Yes, the same Accord is in the know, otherwise they would not have been hiding behind papers, but would have boldly rebuffed that they say the tourists suffered for nothing, and did not violate anything :-) But since the Accord blamed the tourists, it means that it was.
What is there to argue about?
Formally, a tour in a group on a business visa is a violation. And any agency knows this, I suspect that you also know this :-) Formally, in a tourist group, they can confiscate passports from tourists with any visas, except for tourist ones. Yes, the same Accord is in the know, otherwise they would not have been hiding behind papers, but would have boldly rebuffed that they say the tourists suffered for nothing, and did not violate anything :-) But since the Accord blamed the tourists, it means that it was.
What is there to argue about?
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answered 12 years ago
Having received his multiple-entry C visa, that same business visa (the goal is stated as such) for a year and having safely traveled to Poland for the first time with a SERVICE purpose, and maybe even more than 2-3 times, this person decides to relax in Spain. What do you think he should do?
In this case, I argue not personally with you, but with the very position and stereotypes.
With a MULTIPLE-ENTRY business visa, you CAN travel for leisure or other purposes if you made your first trip for the purpose stated when applying for this visa.
As far as I understand, it is desirable to have with you the invitation under which the visa was issued - this can remove some questions.
Naturally, a person with a Polish cartoon, making the first trip on this visa, ended up in a tourist bus, then he uses the visa incorrectly.
But if 2 or more, then not a fact. And it certainly cannot be argued that with a business visa it is GENERALLY impossible to go on vacation. My opinion))))
I'm just trying to figure out this situation that happened to our tourists and I'm wondering what and how it really happened ...
Maybe someone from the "knowledgeable" will unsubscribe)))
In this case, I argue not personally with you, but with the very position and stereotypes.
With a MULTIPLE-ENTRY business visa, you CAN travel for leisure or other purposes if you made your first trip for the purpose stated when applying for this visa.
As far as I understand, it is desirable to have with you the invitation under which the visa was issued - this can remove some questions.
Naturally, a person with a Polish cartoon, making the first trip on this visa, ended up in a tourist bus, then he uses the visa incorrectly.
But if 2 or more, then not a fact. And it certainly cannot be argued that with a business visa it is GENERALLY impossible to go on vacation. My opinion))))
I'm just trying to figure out this situation that happened to our tourists and I'm wondering what and how it really happened ...
Maybe someone from the "knowledgeable" will unsubscribe)))
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answered 12 years ago
I believe that there is no violation in the fact that TA took these tourists.
I could hint, they say, you have visas for business, the trip is the first (if it was the first) ...
And if 2nd and more, then you don’t even need to hint, well, it’s not the company’s fault ...
And tourists ... Well, they bought such visas ... Well, it's clear that they have left-wing visas. So they themselves are to blame)))
Most of all, I feel sorry that because of some "tourists" (who buy a visa to make it easier or when there is no money even for the road, but in Warsaw you can wash a push or a guy has been outlined in Italy), normal and conscious Ukrainians get problems at all stages travel - from obtaining a visa and border to checks already in the EU.
I don’t know the details of these tourists and I’m very interested - they were bought or the Germans overdid it. I tend to the first, so I think the tourists are guilty ...
Such)))
I could hint, they say, you have visas for business, the trip is the first (if it was the first) ...
And if 2nd and more, then you don’t even need to hint, well, it’s not the company’s fault ...
And tourists ... Well, they bought such visas ... Well, it's clear that they have left-wing visas. So they themselves are to blame)))
Most of all, I feel sorry that because of some "tourists" (who buy a visa to make it easier or when there is no money even for the road, but in Warsaw you can wash a push or a guy has been outlined in Italy), normal and conscious Ukrainians get problems at all stages travel - from obtaining a visa and border to checks already in the EU.
I don’t know the details of these tourists and I’m very interested - they were bought or the Germans overdid it. I tend to the first, so I think the tourists are guilty ...
Such)))
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answered 12 years ago
Yes, what is there to understand? The tourists bought the tour from TO, right? Visa agents and documents seen, right? And yet..
Exactly the same travel agents are sitting here, experts are most likely either at the legal or at .. is there a forum of border guards? :-)
The answer to this question is simple: the site of the program control, or a call to them. I called about permits, they explained everything to me sensibly. If you are interested in this question thoroughly - call. Or to the consular department of the embassy to the country you are going to. This will be the safest. Their first hand.
Exactly the same travel agents are sitting here, experts are most likely either at the legal or at .. is there a forum of border guards? :-)
The answer to this question is simple: the site of the program control, or a call to them. I called about permits, they explained everything to me sensibly. If you are interested in this question thoroughly - call. Or to the consular department of the embassy to the country you are going to. This will be the safest. Their first hand.
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answered 12 years ago
If there is no violation, why do TA representatives behave .. to put it mildly, strange? They themselves do not know that they did not violate anything? :-)
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answered 12 years ago
tala35002, sorry for the fact that I flooded this thread. I just now looked at what the actual question of the topicmaster is about ...
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answered 12 years ago
Viltis, but these are THEIR tourists. They are obliged to give COMMENTS and explain the situation to the press. How about being silent? After all, the position that TA is guilty is the very stereotype. Since TA is lucky, then it answers. and you think so, and very, very many other people. It has already gone through all the forums, this is an emergency, like a jamb of the Accord ...
I'm sure the Accord has nothing to do with it this time...
And if the check of the Germans showed that this person was wanted in Germany, with a Polish visa, then that TA would also be to blame?
I'm sure the Accord has nothing to do with it this time...
And if the check of the Germans showed that this person was wanted in Germany, with a Polish visa, then that TA would also be to blame?
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answered 12 years ago
They are not silent, they abandoned their tourists - one (by the way, this is not good) and two - they blame them for what happened. If everything is normal here, then the Accordians behave strangely. And if it is still a violation, then again, why was it allowed?
Topikastoru: in the forum, in the "Travel Agencies" section, there are many reviews about Accord, take a look.
Topikastoru: in the forum, in the "Travel Agencies" section, there are many reviews about Accord, take a look.
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answered 12 years ago
TA didn't leave anyone. They were detained by the police. This is not quit! If any tourist breaks the law or is suspected of violating the law and ends up in the police (and not just on the street), then I think it’s not the TA that should be involved, but the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry or the Ukrainian embassy workers there. embassies.
They should have set up tents in front of that police station with the other 2-3 dozen tourists instead of a tour or what?
Here, a representative of the Ukrainian embassy in Germany was supposed to come to them and sort it out - yes. And the maximum is to contact the representative of Ukraine in Germany.
And when REALLY nothing is known, so you and I can fantasize endlessly))))))))
They should have set up tents in front of that police station with the other 2-3 dozen tourists instead of a tour or what?
Here, a representative of the Ukrainian embassy in Germany was supposed to come to them and sort it out - yes. And the maximum is to contact the representative of Ukraine in Germany.
And when REALLY nothing is known, so you and I can fantasize endlessly))))))))
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answered 12 years ago
They (Accord along with the tourists, whose visas are in order, I mean) needed to set up tents in front of that police station with the other 2-3 dozen tourists instead of a tour or what?
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Viltis, well, a call to any UKRAINIAN border will not give anything at all ... But to the Polish one, yes, you can call ... Only such smart, such pale-colored visas do not buy)))
I don't understand why TA should be doing visa consultations that don't mean anything at all! For on any website of any consulate of any Schengen country, as well as in the visa code, it is clearly written that a visa is not a guarantee of entry into the country, the decision is made by the border services. This means that if you have a 100% legal visa and even if it is used for its intended purpose, there is no 100% guarantee that you will enter the country. There are many subjective factors for which a particular border guard will not let you in.
Therefore, for ANY person, including a tourist, who intends to cross the border, TA cannot guarantee 100% that they will not be wrapped up by customs.
And since there is no 100% guarantee, does this mean that TA must be held responsible for this?
It seems to me that TA is not sideways here at all ... Well, there’s nothing to reproach them with from the information that I read
There is a visa issued by the consulate, yes, but the fact that the tourist uses it incorrectly, this is primary!
And the question is, is it wrong? Then the Germans are to blame, but not TA ...
I don't understand why TA should be doing visa consultations that don't mean anything at all! For on any website of any consulate of any Schengen country, as well as in the visa code, it is clearly written that a visa is not a guarantee of entry into the country, the decision is made by the border services. This means that if you have a 100% legal visa and even if it is used for its intended purpose, there is no 100% guarantee that you will enter the country. There are many subjective factors for which a particular border guard will not let you in.
Therefore, for ANY person, including a tourist, who intends to cross the border, TA cannot guarantee 100% that they will not be wrapped up by customs.
And since there is no 100% guarantee, does this mean that TA must be held responsible for this?
It seems to me that TA is not sideways here at all ... Well, there’s nothing to reproach them with from the information that I read
There is a visa issued by the consulate, yes, but the fact that the tourist uses it incorrectly, this is primary!
And the question is, is it wrong? Then the Germans are to blame, but not TA ...
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